The one in the front seat is a Deutsch-Drahthaar, you're correct on the backseat guy, a Chocolate Lab.

Browning Pro 9.

I like this pistol but it may be a little to big to conceal well though.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144111603.jpg

Pat,

I was just reading that page Deutsche Drahthaar.

I had never heard of these before. Looks like a hell of a hunting dog. Is their temperment like that of a choc labs?

The few times I've actually carried concealed about my person, the main issue is weight as much as size. I have a ParaOrdnance P10, which is pretty compact, even with 10 rounds of .45 ACP, but it's not light, and without a sturdy holster and belt; I like the Galco Conceable on one of their bias cut belts; you'll tire of carrying fairly quickly.

That is the advantage of pistols with single column magazines, alloy or plastic frames, and short barrels.

That's why the Sig 239 SAS pretty much fills the bill. The neat thing about this model is that it is already custom tuned by the Sig factory shop, you won't need anything special done to it to make it top notch. Downside, cost, it's about $800.00 or so. Considering that gunsmithing can cost almost that much on top of buying a new pistol, it's a pretty good deal. Sig makes a large magazine version as well, the 229 SAS. Both have a tritium front night sight.

Pat, SIG has an excellent certified pre-owned deal. You can get a very nice P239 for in the $500 range.

Thanks, Rick. My local FFL, the one that receives guns for me, and is one of those quirky shops full of guns and used TV's, has a new 229 SAS that I think I've talked myself into tonight. he won't budge on the price, though, I think he wants $830.00 for it.

That's a lot, but considering it cost me $700+ (each) to get my Para's smithed to shoot alike, it doesn't seem so bad. It'll be a new caliber, though, which means more complex logistics in the future.

That is a pretty dog Pat....

Pat, check out the classified section on www.sigforum.com, particularly ads from Ordnance Outsellers and Eagle Tactical. They have super SIG inventory and prices.

I carry a Springfield Mil Spec "Combat Commander Officer", a 1911 with a 4 inch barrel with the short officer grip. 6+1 .45ACP, but it's thin. It's smaller & thinner than my Sig P239 in .357sig. If I want a gun with a grip as thick as the P239, I'd get a double stack.

As far as concealing the Pro-9, no problem. I can and have concealed a full size 1911. I've also concealed a Full size browning High power. The CCO 1911 I can conceal in my shorts with a T-shirt.

My dog, Val, is not of the Lab temperment. Drahthaars are much more intense. She's the most self aware dog I've ever owned. By that I mean she considers herself important in her own right, for example when she lays down on her bed, god help the person that disturbs her, dog or human. No, she doesn't bite, but she makes you believe she might. She was like that right from the beginning at nine weeks. Another example is that she does not like to be pushed, you can command her to move or back up, that's fine, just don't push her out of the way. That can be difficult, if you have children, they have to be in on her breed's training from the start, or there could be trouble. Things like making her go through a doorway last, behind the last human is a must. Letting the children handle the food, and setting it on the floor. I can remove her dish while she's eating, that's never been a problem, but I'd have a very hard time pushing her away from her food.

Drahthaar's are one of the finest, most energetic hunting dogs you can have though, once you own one, you'll not likely go back to a different breed. They can be used for water fowl, upland birds (what I hunted), and tracking game, wounded or not. There's a kennel in Australia that hunts wild boar with theirs, equipping the dogs with tusk resistant vests.

I did buy her in Nebraska, by the way, from Jill Manring, the owner of Wildflugel Kennels over in Ravenna, near Kearney. Jill specializes in the solid brown dogs; one of the three colors. Jill is very knowledgeable about the breed, she's heavily involved in the training and testing required in breeding to the German standard. Would I get another one, yes, most definitely, probably from Jill.

Edit: Val's parents are on Jill's web site, they are dog- Kalle vom Spanger-Forst (brought to America for this breeding) and b*tch- Gabby vom Wildflügel, Gabby had to be put down at age 12, and Kalle is now at the vom Ohaus kennel.

The "Little guy"

http://nas4.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/04...3872206406.jpg

I had a ParaOrdnance P-12 that I decked out with a Robar NP3 job, guide rod, Trijicon sights, etc. But I could just never make it shoot as straight as my old faithful SIG P220. I sold it. I also sold my series 80 stainless Commander and my P245. No matter what I try, the SIG P220 always comes out on top.

Nice Rosco. Looks like you have a Wilson mag there, so shouldn't you be at 7+1? That's what I use in my "little guy" CCW of choice (same frame and barrel size as your Spingfield).

Kimber Compact Covert (special hot tub ops model :D):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1125382811.jpg

Yep, she's a looker. We're lucky, three dogs and they all look pretty good.

Val in her prime, age three I think.
http://images1.fotki.com/v13/photos/...88/Val1-vi.jpg

I always state that she's not tied up, ever, that's her training check cord, it's not actually attached to anything at the other end, but she won't sit still without it, while I take her picture.

I need new photos of Max and Xtra. But, here's one of Val and Xtra walking in step, one of those strange things dogs do and don't tell us why they do it.
http://images12.fotki.com/v216/photo...ra__Val-vi.jpg

The photo is just before our move, last October.

That dog has the most interesting face.....


What a really nice profile.

Your pooches are awesome.

I love the grip checkering! The picture has a Wilson mag but I won't use it. On the short barrel 1911s, the magazine follower dimple helps with timing the round going into battery.