Isn't that roughly what I wrote?

I can't wait to see if Saddam should be removed from power.

I mean, we know that his top aids did some pretty nasty things, but this "guilt by association" is often used as a "smear tactic." Hopefully, the trial will conclude soon so we can make up our minds about him. :rolleyes:


Edited to include the "sarcasm" thing, in case I wasn't clear.

Rick, Cool,

I think yall are saying the same thing. Yes, Mr. Cheney misspoke and said .com instead of .org. He meant to tell people to go to .org according to him.



.com does have a political agenda, .org is supposed to be independent.



Is Hussein guilty by association? Aren't we all known by the friends we keep? Please keep in mind who supplied Iraq with their WMDs prior to the Iran/Iraq war. We knew there were WMDs because WE supplied some of them. I feel there are still some over there and that we have found others. I also feel that the information regarding recovery is being kept quiet for military/security reasons.

If our friends are openly/known crooked, does this not implicate us in their deeds? I'm not saying this is true for all, I have two close friends who are convicted felons, I am not nor have I placed myself in such a situation. Others have.

Mr. Nixon went down for covering up a felony, Mr. Reagan (Iran-Contra) did not. Mr. Clinton played liberal with the truth and sullied himself, I feel that Mr. Bush has as well. Does my opinion count? No. I am only one voting Veteran, not a wave of public opinion. I would vote today for Mr. Nixon to be our next President. I cannot say that I would or ever voted for the other three (yes, I'm old enough to have voted for the other three, if not Mr. Nixon). In my opinion, Mr. Nixon was involved after the fact and tried to cover the issue up leading to the elections. Mr. DeLay was involved from the inception of the issues.

But, to be fair, part of the felony indictment did not become a felony until the day AFTER he stopped committing it. He knew the law had changed and he kept is soon to be illegal activities up until close to the last moment.

But I break the speed limit laws on occassion...

Ahh, my apologies. I initially mistook your intentions to mean he directed them to go to factcheck.org in error.

David:

Well said.

Rumor has it Delay is not going to run again.....

Rumor that is now fact. CC..You picked it.

Will be interesting to see the spin on this one.

Kinda fun standing on the sidelines watching each end of the political spectrum try to out do each other in spin and manipulation!!

It's probably for the best.

He probably got a great job offer from Orkin.

:D :D :D

I think he is about to find out what those bugs he hunted all those years feel like.

Maybe he'll make some friends with cockroaches in the slammer, start a bug circus when he gets out. A perfect career progression.

Actually, he's about to make 10x his previous salary with 1/10 of the bull$hit.

Ah ... the spin begins. He didn't resign because he a corrupt, sleazy politician that stole from the taxpayers on a grand scale. He's just a good Republican, leaving to cash in.

I think the prison laundry pays $2/hr.

Welcome to politics. :)

Honestly, anyone who runs knows full well what they're getting into. And the "bull****" isn't exclusive of one party.

I'd like to add, I think his current salary is but a small part of the package.

Rodeo, that is far from spin. It's the 100% truth. He will make exponentially more out of COngress and not be subject to any kind of special rules. All I know is what I read, but the Post article today said he resigned because his reelection looked increasingly unwinnable and he wanted to keep that seat for the GOP. I don't think he was previously motivated by money, since he could have cashed in many years ago and saved a lot of headache. But this looks to be about the right time. I still believe he will never be convicted of anything.

I know you do, Rick, I know you do.

But then again, you've been incredibly supportive of a guy that described Jack Abramoff as "one of my closest and dearest friends," a guy whose senior staffers are going to jail faster than we can count them. A guy whose office was a sickening den of corruption and greed.

The question in my mind is "why?" I mean, despite your politics being different from mine, you seem like a rational person. You are capable of looking at facts and coming to obvious conclusions.

But you look at all the sleaze surrounding DeLay, and apparently see only goodness and light.

The only conclusion I can draw is unfortunately a cynical one: You care more about the Republican Party than you do the country. If you cared more about the country, you'd condemn this sleaze, no matter what it's origin.

The latest batch or Republicans have been taught that "winning is everything," and politics pervades everything for them.

I think that's why they are on the way out. Republicans care about maintaining Republican power. Americans care about their country.

p.s. I don't have loyalty to either party. Right now, I guess I'm a democrat, but only because the Repubs are so sleazy and incompetent and intolerant. That will change.

DeLay to Announce Resignation From House

DeLay to Announce Resignation From House

DeLay to Announce Resignation From House

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_go_co/delay_16;_ylt=AiIJIqMKs.Aie5vYLFHW_6eGbToC;_ylu=X3 oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Wrong again, Rodeo. I care more about Cynthia McKinney's hairdo than I do the Republican Party. Obviously, Abramoff ain't gonna give up anything on DeLay. They were (and may still be) good friends. Abramoff is as hardcore Republican as they come. If I were Byron Dorgan or Harry Reid, I'd be a lot more worried about Abramoff's turning state's evidence than if I were Tom DeLay.

And I highly doubt DeLay has yet to be accused of any wrongdoing in connection with Abramoff for a lack of the feds trying to do so. There ain't no there there. And if there were, the feds sure missed the boat by not saying so before DeLay announced his resignation.

DeLay's only legal woe is the TX money laundering charge. The conspiracy charge was tossed and the prosecutor in the case has plenty of political baggage of his own. Anyone who thinks DeLay would be dumb enough to tell the RNC to cut a check AND leave his fingerprints on it, even assuming the RNC would comply, just doesn't know how that operation works. I have always thought our campaign finance laws were ridiculous. But it's even more ridiculous to think the guys at the top of the game don't have an army of lawyers reviewing every check cut and keeping a good buffer between the big guys.

Abramoff is singing like a little birdie.

Music to my ears. Sweet, beautiful music.

You man is going down. Remember, they work UP the food chain, not DOWN.

Abramoff has been singing for many months and has already been sentenced. Don't you think they would have already named DeLay as a target if they had something on him?

Nope.

You'll see.

(btw, Abramoff has only been sentenced in Florida, the Washington sentence is on the way)

Ah yes, I forgot about that. But I believe his fed. sentence will be concurrent with his FL one. Either way, that's pretty much overwith.

You better wake up dude, you'll be late for work.

The prosecuters have already told DeLay he is not a target. But we'll wait and see Rodeo:)

Lendaddy, don't let facts get in the way of Rodeo's mental masturbation. Stuff like DeLay's woes are the best Dems can hope for, since they don't win on the issues.

Corruption is an "issue"

No, apparently "alleged" corruption is an issue:)

Sometimes people are simply guilty and the word "alleged" will be used as an out for those who still believe there has been a mistake. In this case, had the individual belonged to the "other side" the posters defending Lay would AUTOMATICALLY claim he or she was guilty, no "alleged" about it.

It all depends on whose ox is getting gored. It is partisanship. It is a fact of life. Politics, like religion, is based on emotion, not logic. Posted facts generally are not, they are someone's opinions, taken as truth.

This situation will shake itself out and there will be a decision. Whatever it is, not one word we type here will change the outcome.

Can ANYONE say with certainty that there are not others in Congress that are also playing fast and loose with the law? Can ANYONE show that these are necessarily in one party or the other? Can they all be ignorant of what their staff is doing in their behalf or under their umbrella?

Delay just resigned, so its a moot point from here on out...

Racism is a bigger issue, especially intentionally fomenting it, exploiting divisiveness for political gain...ripping the country apart and dividing Americans around racial lines.

Given the Democrat party regularly surpass the allegations about Delay, in true campaign finance crimes, your argument about Delay and "corruption" is hollow.

There are 2 major differences between Delay's crimes and a myriad of Democrat crimes:

1. Delay's crimes, if true, were less than Democrat crimes.
2. The reason Delay gets the magnifying glass is because the Democrats rule the media.

If the Dems as corrupt as you say they are, and with your party controlling all 3 branches of government, it seems all they'd have to do is pick up the phone and someone would land in jail. With that in mind, why is it that the high-ranking Republicans are getting nailed?

Because the party that controls the Congress and WH does not dictate who gets indicted under state law in TX.

What about the Clinton's?...We are talking campaign finance violations that were treasonous.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/fec.htm

Aw, hell, I'll save you the typing: CHAPPAQUIDDICK!

what about, what about, what about, sniffle, sniffle, what about...mahaaaaahhhmmmmmmmm, the democrats are making fun of me again and my side is, sniffle, sniffle, sniffle, gasp, sniffle, they're bad but I can't admit it an the, an the other side is bad too, but we're in power...

What party in texas does?

No party does.

I thought you worked in legal? The prosecutor is at their own discretion, guess what party he's from?

Now DeLay has decided to take a baseball bat to the prosecutor's knees, rather than, god forbid, win the case at trial. What a slimeball.

From Fox News Radio’s Tony Snow Show:

SNOW: Okay, so at this point, you know — are you willing to let bygones be bygones?

DELAY: Absolutely not. Texas should not allow a district attorney from Travis County have this kind of power. And they can take his power away from him because there was the Texas legislature that gave him this power. And I think that will happen in the next session of the Texas legislature.

SNOW: Oh, really?

DELAY: Yes.

He was confident that the judge would dismiss the charges. Nope. Now instead of doing what everybody else does, prove you are right at trial, he is trying to make an end run around the case.

Like I said, sleaze.

Be careful what you wish for:)

Oh, but not to worry, you know about some secret charges that Delay will face later remember? Buck up lil camper.:)

Rodeo, surely you know some other Ronnie Earle's other capers. The guy has more baggage than an airplane. DeLay is spot on here and he ain't the only one Earle has gone after just for the political mileage.