In the '60s Germany must have been jealous of multicultural societies...

[nine_one_4]

to make them decide to become one themselves.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060331/wl_nm/germany_school_dc_1

Berlin school violence sparks calls for change By Karin Strohecker
Fri Mar 31, 11:07 AM ET

Violence at a Berlin school has prompted calls in Germany to overhaul the country's education system and provide better integration for immigrant children.

Pictures of hooded pupils pelting journalists with heavy cobblestones and police officers lining the entrance of the Ruetli school in the heavily Turkish and Arab Neukoelln district of Berlin have filled primetime news since Thursday.

**Four weeks ago, teachers at the Ruetli school sent a desperate letter to state authorities asking for help and the closure of their current school.

"Any help for our school could only improve the situation," the teachers wrote, saying they had been attacked by pupils and that many would only enter a class room with their mobile phones switched on to be able to call for assistance immediately.**

"Looking ahead, the school as it is should be dissolved in favor of a new one with a completely different setup," the teachers added.

The Neukoelln area is hit by unemployment, social problems and poverty. Ruetli is a Hauptschule, a high school, providing a basic level of education in a multilevel education system.

At Ruetli school, more than 80 percent of the children are foreigners, the teachers said in their letter.

Experts said the violence showed that Germany had failed to integrate immigrant children in its school system and pondered the abolishment of this lowest school level.

"The Hauptschule has degenerated into a school for losers," said Christian Pfeiffer, head of the Criminological Research Institute in Hanover. "Children who are at such a school have a very slim chance of getting an apprenticeship later on and to grow into their work."

ON FIRE?

Although education in Germany is regulated by state governments, in most cases all children go to the same school for the first years before being divided up into those receiving higher education, which could open the door to university, while others remain at the bottom of the educational pecking order.

"The trend is going more and more toward higher education wherever it is possible," said Marianne Renz, specialist for education at the Federal Statistics Office.

"That means that the Hauptschule, wherever it is present, has become a school for whoever is left over while having a high proportion of foreign pupils," she added.

In 2004/2005, pupils visiting a Hauptschule made up around one fifth of all pupils in secondary education.

While politicians said consideration must be given to changes in the educational system, teachers said nothing had been done to help them and to change the system.

"This case shows that schools in Germany are being left alone with their problems until they go up in flames," said Ludwig Eckinger, head of the teacher's association VBE in an interview with daily Die Welt.

[Joeaksa]

I used to live in Neu Koeln and its heavily Turkish. The West Germans brought in Turks for their dirty work, while the East Germans brought in Vietnamese and Africans.

Now they are one and trying to learn how to live together. Problem is that the German skinheads do not like any of them.

[nine_one_4]

How much research did the politicians do before they rushed into this whole "Gastarbeiter" thing? I think they just rushed into it like a bunch of blind, Hippy fools and now there's 18 million Muslims with an agenda in Western Europe http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/view/ .

[Joeaksa]

It really mushroomed and far larger than they ever wanted. Now Germany is the second largest concentration of Turkish people in the world.

Good friend of mine married a Turkish lady. Nice people and wonderful country in many ways. I have major issues with the way they treat their women (killing them if they try to marry outside the culture in some cases) and its a typical Islamic group in some ways.

[nine_one_4]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
It really mushroomed and far larger than they ever wanted. Now Germany is the second largest concentration of Turkish people in the world.

Good friend of mine married a Turkish lady. Nice people and wonderful country in many ways. I have major issues with the way they treat their women (killing them if they try to marry outside the culture in some cases) and its a typical Islamic group in some ways.

On the whole they're not so nice. Take some time to watch the videos in the PBS link I posted above and you can hear from their own mouths what they want. If you can read Dutch or Swedish, follow the links in this article until you come to the actual newspaper articles and read for yourself if what he says is true. I've read some of the English language articles that back up what he says.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21502

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/07/norwegian-government-covering-up.html

[David]

And there are still people that call it a peaceful religion?

[Rikao4]

folks ,look in the mirror....we are no longer different. We used to laugh at them not being in control of their own country.
We are just like them .
Rika

[Joeaksa]

Never said that they were peaceful. In Berlin they are now holding the trial (if its not completed by now) of two or three brothers who killed their sister. Her crime, in their eyes, was to fall in love with a man who was not a moslem. They could not stand it and felt that it would be better if they killed her, so they did.

It is not a peaceful religion and anyone associated with it realizes this.

[masraum]

I had sex with a Turkish girl a couple of times.

[Rikao4]

Some of the german side of my family coming this summer, him District Att. for Berlin, her Senior Judge for Juveniles , going to make for some interesting dinners.
Rika

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by masraum
I had sex with a Turkish girl a couple of times.

I know a guy who had sex with a turkey!

[speeder]

"Sir, you had sex with a ghost?"

"Oh, no. I thought you said goat."