We have a case of the Mondays...every day.

Nuclear proliferation is definitely a threat. But I worry about more conventional threats - like China, and who it will be buddy-buddy with in the not-so-distant future. In the next ten years, China expects to have an increase of 10,000,000 cars. They're going to need oil from somewhere.

Today, the Chinese were buttering up Kenya for their reserves.

Who will it be tomorrow? Iran? If so, what happens to the U.S. and its need for oil? Or U.S. allies?

Your correct. Iran is beating the war drums, constantly. They will attack if we do not.

Your correct. Iran is beating the war drums, constantly. They will attack if we do not.

Attack what?

Are you forgetting that the US government aided and abetted Iraq's attack upon Iran?

It's the US government that's the dangerous, out of control, militaristic monstrosity here, not Iran.

It's my fervent hope that the fall out of all this war talk and dead Americans will cut the bottom out of the military, that should have happened in 1989, better late than never.

Pat,

YOur not a libertarian, your in outer space, somewhere. There is one of two words for you. One belongs in a institution, the other in outer space.

I'm not a "fastpatstie;" however, in this case, I think he's nailed it. We were very happy to collude with Saddam when he waged war on Iran, and we (gov't, but not the media) ignored his use of chemical weapons against the Iranians. Anything to get back at the Iranians after the US Embassy takeover and hostage crisis.

We engage in a lot of name calling and saber-rattling against Iran. If you were in their shoes, what would you think/do? Anyone that thinks a military solution is in order at this time, better take their meds and relax. Diplomacy and economic pressure is the course to take. And start working on relationship building throughout the Middle East including the resolution to the Palistinean "issue."

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Okay, son, what did you find objectionable in what I wrote, and why?

When you object, better have your homework done ahead of time.

When ones talks like a madman, sounds like a madman, he is likely a madman.

In other words, you have no basis for your statements because you can't refute the truth I've posted.

I knew that, so in the future, you no longer have to post responses to my messages.

Nah, I think that he is saying; 'you're so whacked, I'm not even going to try to figure it out."


My view is, that you are beyond Libertarian . . . just enough (by design?) to make the Libertarians look whacked.

Here it is again, in case you missed it before.
Now, refute this, or shut up.

Your just angry because Kerry lost!

"Attack what?"
-------- attack any group that starts a war with the US.


Are you forgetting that the US government aided and abetted Iraq's attack upon Iran?
---------- that was cold war tactics to prevent USSR from taking over their design on the middle east.

It's the US government that's the dangerous, out of control, militaristic monstrosity here, not Iran.
--------- for obnoxiously taking your hard earned wages to support special interest groups.

It's my fervent hope that the fall out of all this war talk and dead Americans will cut the bottom out of the military, that should have happened in 1989, better late than never.
---------- pick a country that you'd like to take over the US then offer to be their spokesman so your case will be clearer.

So then, Pat, you think that the US is on par with Irans plans to (upon aquiring nukes) to "wipe" countries of the map? Is the US' military goal to completely remove countries and cultures . .. thru incineration?

Now usually I would volley back a "now you STFU". .. but in your case Pat, carry on with your overt rhetoric. --Tho' reallize that you are doing a huge dis-service to Libertarians everywhere.(edit; --that's your goal; right?)

Riiight! Let me know when you find anything I've said about Kerry that indicates I supported him over Bush.

That last happened in 1941. There have been many wars in which the US government participated since then, refuting your point entirely.

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Are you forgetting that the US government aided and abetted Iraq's attack upon Iran? ---------- that was cold war tactics to prevent USSR from taking over their design on the middle east.

No, the US government's policy of suporting Iraq against Iran had nothing whatsoever to do with the Cold War. In fact, quite the opposite. Most of the military equipment used by Iraq was furnished, and replaced by as it was lost, by the Soviet Union and China. And France, let's not forget France helping Iraq against the Iranians.

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It's the US government that's the dangerous, out of control, militaristic monstrosity here, not Iran. --------- for obnoxiously taking your hard earned wages to support special interest groups.

No, for invading and killing the humans living in other countries, most of which are weak and poorly defended. The US government is the largest bully, in every negative sense of the word, on the planet.

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It's my fervent hope that the fall out of all this war talk and dead Americans will cut the bottom out of the military, that should have happened in 1989, better late than never. ---------- pick a country that you'd like to take over the US then offer to be their spokesman so your case will be clearer.

There is NO country that is a threat to America, the US government is the biggest danger to Americans today.

Empty rhetoric on their part, designed for home consumption. Israel, the country I'm sure you're referencing, is more than capable of self defense. In fact, they're much more aggressive in the region than is Iran.

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Now usually I would volley back a "now you STFU". .. but in your case Pat, carry on with your overt rhetoric. --Tho' reallize that you are doing a huge dis-service to Libertarians everywhere.(edit; --that's your goal; right?)

Gibberish.

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"Attack what?"
-------- attack any group that starts a war with the US.
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That last happened in 1941. There have been many wars in which the US government participated since then, refuting your point entirely.


-------- ok.. that's clear. So the US mainland is not a battlefield?

Well, that would be great, wouldn't it? Tho the tough thing is; we don't know. As it is right now, Iran's prez is like some whack-job kid REALLLY pissed at his school, frantically looking for a really big effn arsenal.

I suppose, you would be fine saying "here's a shot gun, and a few grenades . . don't miss the bus now"SmileWavy
Yep . . it might turn out okay. . . .it might not.