They think we are pussies, this emboldens them. The rest of the world shouldn't open their mouths, as they sit idly by eating caviar and drinking champagne as mass atrocities are committed by members of the Human Rights Commission.

Its curious that you are so scared of the world.

Still, not long now. The Train is coming.

"The prison in question was inspected by my team in Jan. 1998. It appeared to be a prison for children - toddlers up to pre-adolescents - whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene. Actually I'm not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I'm waging peace."


Bush liberated 50 million people...No thanks to you or terrorist sympathizing types like you.

So you are saying that its acceptable to treat non US citizens in a manner that is unacceptable, and in fact, illegal, for US citizen to be treated. Is that correct?

Stuart, you're spending too much energy on people (e.g., mul) that would've felt right at home in the Third Reich. Hopefully their political heroes will be purged in the 2006 and 2008 elections. It's time to set America back on a course that Americans can be proud of.

Since US law concerning detainee's and those arrested is a restriction on the US government, all US law does in fact apply at all times and places the US government finds itself.

Further, the US Constitution is law, and the foundation of all US law, including all amendments to it, it also restricts the US government at all times and places. There is no "people who are not protected" since the laws in question restrict government.

It's clear you don't understand the law.

Figures.

Bush liberated no one. The above is a lie.

Jim
Im not interested in Mul. He is a plonker and simply serves to illustrate the radical conservative Xtain thinking that much of the ROW now associates with the USA.

Im interested in all the people that might read this thread and reflect on what is happening in Cuba in their names.
Stuart

plonker...I love that word! It sounds so...Mul! :D

Here is my simple take on it.

Americans who hate Bush and/or all things republican have their views on this muddied by politics whether they know it or not. Most Americans, if politics were left out of the equation and in light of 9/11, would not give a rats @ss about how nice a bunch of suspected islamo terrorists are being treated on a base in Cuba. I for one, am proud that the United States of America has taken a stand against these whackos instead of just bending over and taking it like some other countries seem to do.

I am interested why it TRULY bothers you so much. Are you an Islamo terrorist fearful of being detained yourself, an "all things Bush" hater, or do you truly worry that the US constitution is somehow being compromised? Maybe you just hate the US.

Tim, I think you're reaching on the "Americans who hate Bush and/or all things republican." I vote both ways, and will continue to do so. Torture is morally wrong. The line between interrogation and torture shouldn't be crossed, but it was as evidenced by Abu Graib (sp?). The US hater line is BS, too. Come on man, be less reactionary like Mul and start thinking about moral values. You have them, right? :)

I'm an American, proud of our country and what it stands for. It punishes the guilty and it leaves alone the innocent. It does this through something called justice.

America doesn't throw people in holes for years without charges or trial.

I truly cannot conceive of anyone condoning torturing and imprisoning someone for years without charges or trial because somebody's brother or Uncle or neighbor turned them over to the Americans for a reward.

My point I guess is that many who get worked up over the Abu Guraib prisoner abuse and the whole Cuba detainee issues just allow themselves to get so worked up because initially they see it as a way to claim foul on the present administration or the US in general.

I do not condone mass prisoner torture (eg Japanese in WW2),
I just think this issue has been blown out of proportion by some for less than moralistic reasons.

The idea of making life uncomfortable for a detainee in hopes of gleaning some intel on his buddies which might prevent another attack on innocent civilians passes my moral test. I think many people with the passing of time are starting to forget the horror of 9/11. I believe that the terrorists still want to kill the infedels just like they did before Iraq or Bush's presidency. Short of nuking the whole ME, any efforts to minimize their future efforts works for me.

Tim, I can't argue, but let's not assume are all taking this stand just because of hate for B2/Repubs/neo-cons/USA. We're often times just morally P.O.'ed.

They are treated too nicely. This is creating more problems, not less. That said, in typical lefty form, you are focusing on an isolated incident to impugn and malign the whole military. You are sliming them to slander Bush. Those involved in public displays of terrorist humiliation (although justified in my mind) were being prosecuted by the military you hate...Your protestations are not founded in morality but in hate. You malevolently pull out the color of moral outrage to paint the terrorists white, and pull out blood red to fling at the American military and intentionally splatter at Bush.

As you do cheerleader kicks you reveal your feminity, your skirt is short and revealing, your pompoms reveal your hysteria, you indirectly and sometimes directly root for the enemy.

Mul...the reincarnation of Himmler or Goebbels? ;)

Don't forget, they rode on a wave of socialism. They were godless Jew (practicing) and Christian hating collectivists. They were sure their philosophy was superior and used the authority of mandate to shove it down their subjects' throats. The difference between fascists and Democrats is only execution.

That must be why Hitler said this:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922"

Mul, it's all in good fun. rumor has it you were a big Clinton supporter, and that you also cried yourself to sleep the night Kerry lost the election to B2. We're here for you buddy, we're here for you. :)

No one taken seriously believes Hitler was a Christian...Hitler was about as Christian as Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton. Hitler was Christian long enough to fool the masses, sorta like the Democrat party.

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

Technically, he did liberate the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Whether they stay free is another question. Unfortunately for Iraqis and Afghanis, their successful freedom is your and the Democrat party's failure...You and your lefty comrades fail if and when they succeed.

If only.

No, he really is the pin-wheel that he appears to be, at least when it comes to the views that he expresses here. The big difference is that in person he does not spout these beliefs non-stop, (who could w/o attracting the white coats)?, and has more of a sense of humor and tolerance for competing views than displayed online. He'll probably be mad at me for saying this because his online persona is sort of like a pro wrestler shtick and I have pulled off his costume, but he's so damn nice in reality that I feel like defending him some times. :cool:

Denis, I respect your opinion, but I'll tell you what ... the Nul I see online would throw my a$$ in jail, throw away the key, and then go meet you for a milk shake like it never happened.

To the extent that I occupied his mind at all in the next 30 or so years, he would only think to himself, "traitor got what he deserved."

don't be pullin' no costumes offa these guys! :eek:

Needless to say, it's hard to view him as a fun-loving guy knowing that he's just looking for an opportunity to knock me over the head and drag me off to re-education camp :)

nah, he has been dying to test those special showers on someone.

Extermination of Jew-haters, Christian-haters, Islamofascists, neo-fascists and communists?...Hmmmmm....Sounds good.

So you are considering suicide?

(must.resist.encouraging.him)

I am an extremely limited government, pro-laissez faire, fundamentalist Christian...The polar opposite of your socialist brothers of fascism and communism.

(must.resist.teaching.pig.to.sing)

You're Pat Robertson? :eek:

(must.stop.baiting.Mul)

No, you're absolutely not an extremely limited government proponent. In fact, you've backed the most expansionist government since 1932, and advocate unlimited expansion of it now. You've verbalized your support of a larger government time and again.

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pro-laissez faire,

You have advocated, time and again, government controls of business, government welfare, and much more.

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fundamentalist Christian...The polar opposite of your socialist brothers of fascism and communism.

That makes it 100%. You're not a Christian of any kind.

I love when lefties speak in absolutes, especially when they are obviously untrue.

Mul
I am no fan of the US military. But this is not about the US military. It is behaving exactly as one would expect it to behave given the latitudes it has been given by its govt. Nor am I condoning terrorism, as much as you would like to be able to skew it that way.

The problem is, the rest of world is having a great deal of difficulty telling the difference between the actions of terrorists and the action of the US govt. Yes, it obscene when a masked man severes a head for the camera. It is calcuated to be that way, to shock, for political purposes. But its no more obscene than a family beiing gunned down at a checkpoint or in their home, then being dismissed by a mickey mouse military investigation.

And when the US govt mandates practices like torture, indefinite confimentment, denial of natural justice, the ROW shakes it collective head and wonders what concepts such as those noble sentiments expresseed in the Declaration of Indepence actually mean.

So while you may be able to morally exculpate yourself from this Mul, I have higher opinion of the basic decency of the American people.

And if you want to call me a cu-nt, old man, have the nuts to come out and do it.

So you're implying that our military deliberately murders children rather than it being an accident, and you equate this accident to those who slit throats and decapitate helpless human beings.

You are disgusting.

Your imperious morality only underlines your naivety. Shall we get into a slanging match about incidents involving the US military, perhaps starting with the shooting down of the Iranian Air Flight 655 by the USS Vincennes, killing 290 passengers while the ship was was 4miles inside Iranian waters, against orders? For which the Vincennes Captain Will Rogers (oh the irony) was decorated?

http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/military_blunders/mb_iasd.html

Or refer to the article that was posted earlier in this thread. It goes on and on and on.

Incompetence or deliberate-is anyone any any less dead? But that is not the topic of this thread.

If you are all so committed to changing the way goverment is run and the military policy is formulated get off this ******* BB and get out into your communities and really get to the meat of changing peoples minds because it ain't happening here. This is just a tragic comedy of selfserving BS from both extremes.

If you were my neighbors I'd move out of the state. Come to think of it, that's why I live way in the country.

Dropping bombs on homes that might have had Saddam Hussein in them is no accident.

Anytime a bombing target is scheduled that has a chance of "collateral damage", and those are almost always known, there is a choice, it's no accidental killing.

To repeat, collateral damage isn't accidental.

Let's take Widgeon13 up on his suggestion...919 days until W and his ilk can be run from DC.