The Creation of Amerika the Fearful
 

Gunatanamo Bay, and what it represents, is simply a disgrace. People get termed "anti American" for railing against this travesty, but I cant think of anything more anti-American than what is represented by Guanatanamo Bay.




We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
2.2 That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
2.3 Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
2.4 But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

Well said.

Jackass circlejerk.

Circle jerk Mul?

Tell me, Deep Thought -even if they are "the worst of the worst"- how snatching people, holding them under a jurisdictional fairy tale and denying them trial or sentence indefinately, is in any way consistent with the principles articulated in the US constitution?

And if this treatment is not good enough for American citizens, why is good enough for citizens of other countries?

You forgot the big bad American military wolf was huffing and puffing and flushing Quarans down the toilet...oh wait, that was a lie. Just as the rest of the above microscopic intentional mis-analysis is a damned dirty lie. Bush is protecting our country. The American media puppet masters have the puppets (people like you and Patsy and the Clown) singing the malicious anti-American propaganda tune. You aid and abet the enemy, the enemy that would like to see your heathen liberal ass with your chopped off bloody head up it.

Hummmm...somewhere in-between my convictions do lie. Pat and Mul --- you both need some help. I mean that with the best of intentions :)

Liberal media...anti American propaganda....aid and abet the enemy...etc ect. To save time, lets just take all that as a given, shall we, Mul?

How about you answer the question.

Your ignorance blinds you.

Gee, excellent answer. If the question is too hard, I could give you one on sport.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Gotta love Christianity...the greatest, most rational, religion on Earth.

Praise the Lord.

How about you answer the question?

You wrapped up propaganda, a series of false premises, into a question and expected an answer that assumed truth. I do not operate in the imaginary world of leftism, it does not compute...Those held in G'itmo are murderers, guilty by association and enemy combatants, otherwise they would not be held. They are treated better than any other POW on earth has ever been treated. They have no rights under Geneva. They are pampered and coddled, catered to, allowed access to their book of evil, fed and taken care of better than they ever were in their homeland or in their terrorist camps...Those that are held are the worst of the worst, otherwise they would not be held.

How do you know that?

Almost every person in prison will tell you he is innocent. Reporters bring gifts and treats to the prisoners at Gitmo...and treat them like celebrities.....if they tell stories of mistreatment. Other get nothing. It pays to be a good actor in prison.

Muslims and Democrats are very proficient at disinformation. They both have a bad habit of lying and they are currently working for the same cause...This is plenty of reason to believe what I believe. It is more trustworthy analysis than anything you, Patsy or Rodeo have offered in this thread.

So yours is a faith based opinion, Mul. You simply believe it. That hardly cinstitues "analysis", now does it?

You have avoided the question. Its not one of guilt or innocence. Its a question of holding people indefinately without charge or trial. That is anti American.

Over here in the reality based community, I wonder why, if we look at the case of David Hicks, who is alleged to committed crimes against the US military in Afghanisatn- one of the worst in Guantanomo, apparently, we find that after four and half years he has not been tried for anything. Now, if he is guility under a fair judical process, then, by all means, hang him. But if he is not guilty, or charges cannot be proven, whats he doing there?

Are you suggesting he is the victim of American military, or do you think perhaps there is more to the story that cannot be disclosed for national security reasons?...Do you think that those making hay out of G'itmo have an agenda that is not necessarily pro-American or pro-truth?

you see, i got these three gods, but they're really only one god...oh, and he died but then rose from the dead, and his dad let him die, even though they are the same god...

The words "religion" and "rational" do not belong in the same sentence unless you put "isn't" between them. To think otherwise means you don't understand religion, rational thought, or both.

They will be held until it is safe or prudent to release them. If they are released early they may seek to kill American soldiers (as has happened in the past), if they are held unjustly, tough *****, they are lucky they aren't dead.

Im suggesting nothing Mul. It is you who is blindly defending the fact that your country is depriving people of their liberty indefinately.

Try him. If he is guilty, hang him.

Depriving individuals of their liberty, torturing them (and this has been established- wanna see the pics again?) and denying them trial is un-American.

It flies in the face of every noble and liberatarian principle that the United States was founded on. Argue that it does not, or STFU.

So how do you KNOW 1) that they are coddled, catered to, etc. and 2) That they must be the worst, otherwise "they would not be held". Not that I much care one way or the other, but I'm curious about your logic/thought process. Please elaborate.

Then how do you explain this?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Is it not rational and religious ('Christian' if your denial betrays your logic) all wrapped up in one poetic knot?

Because I have no reason to believe otherwise. Further, the left and the Muslims have a mutual interest in undermining the war and the President, so they cannot be trusted. Further, I trust the American military infinitely more than ANY Democrat or Muslim (who have a mutual interest in undermining the war and the President).

Read between the lines. From the article claiming poor treatment:

" I hand Mousovi a Starbucks chai, the closest thing to Afghan tea I've been able to find on the base. Then I open up boxes of pizza, cookies and baklava"

It really does not sound like the black hole of Calcutta to me. I imagine there are few in the Gulag that would not love to trade places.

wow. your grasp of logical reasoning is just stunning. no, really...just stunning.

thanks man, very Christian (by which I mean 'rational') of you.

Faith based.

No basis in fact. http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/206340.jpg

A Gitmo inmate strolls off to recieve his daily manicure and mud treatment.

Dip him in pig fat and set him on fire...send pics to al jazeera.

Creator. Mmm.

Jaweh. Bhudda. Allah. Norse. Ra. Ptah. Sokar. Osiris. Æsir. Yoruba Orisha. Zues.

Pick your fairytale.

Mul, you are mounting a truly pathetic defence.

Why do you hate America so much?

Buddha never considered himself a God, the rest are fantasies. Jesus was no fantasy. You may question his divinity but you cannot question his existence and the fact that he rocked the world 2000+ years ago.

How dare you get between a Muslim and his 72 virgins...Kill em all.

Stewie, the website you pulled your jumpsuited Islamic murderer picture (a picture you are offering suggests something it does not) from is trying to see that Bush planned 911.

Do you believe this?

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/HistoryRepeats.jpg

Wow, talk about critical reasoning and its ugly stepsister logical thought process....."Because I have no reason to believe otherwise" Don't get me wrong, I supported the Iraq thing initially, now I think its time to get out and let the Iraquis sort it out, and if gas goes to $10/gallon so be it. But your critical thinking is less than I would have expected. I'm very disappointed, I thought you were better than that.

This might explain it...hit it, Boss:

Madman drummers bummers and Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat
In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat
With a boulder on my shoulder, feelin' kinda older, I tripped the merry-go-round
With this very unpleasing sneezing and wheezing, the calliope crashed to the ground
Some all-hot half-shot was headin' for the hot spot, snappin' his fingers, clappin' his hands
And some fleshpot mascot was tied into a lover's knot with a whatnot in her hand
And now young Scott with a slingshot finally found a tender spot and throws his lover in the sand
And some bloodshot forget-me-not whispers, "Daddy's within earshot, save the buckshot, turn up the band"

And she was blinded by the light
Cut loose like a deuce, another runner in the night
Blinded by the light
She got down but she never got tight, but she'll make it alright

Some brimstone baritone anti-cyclone rolling stone preacher from the East
He says, "Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in its funny bone, that's where they expect it least"
And some new-mown chaperone was standin' in the corner all alone, watchin' the young girls dance
And some fresh-sown moonstone was messin' with his frozen zone to remind him of the feeling of romance

Yeah, he was blinded by the light
Cut loose like a deuce, another runner in the night
Blinded by the light
He got down but he never got tight, but he's gonna make it tonight

Some silicone sister with her manager's mister told me I got what it takes
She said, "I'll turn you on, sonny, to something strong if you play that song with the funky break"
And Go-Cart Mozart was checkin' out the weather chart to see if it was safe to go outside
And little Early-Pearly came by in her curly-wurly and asked me if I needed a ride
Oh, some hazard from Harvard was skunked on beer, playin' backyard bombardier
Yes, and Scotland Yard was trying hard, they sent some dude with a calling card, he said, "Do what you like, but don't do it here"
Well, I jumped up, turned around, spit in the air, fell on the ground and asked him which was the way back home
He said, "Take a right at the light, keep goin' straight until night, and then, boy, you're on your own"
And now in Zanzibar, a shootin' star was ridin' in a side car, hummin' a lunar tune
Yes, and the avatar said, "Blow the bar but first remove the cookie jar, we're gonna teach those boys to laugh too soon"
And some kidnapped handicap was complainin' that he caught the clap from some mousetrap he bought last night
Well, I unsnapped his skull cap and between his ears I saw a gap but figured he'd be all right

He was just blinded by the light
Cut loose like a deuce, another runner in the night
Blinded by the light
Mama always told me not to look into the sights of the sun
Oh, but Mama, that's where the fun is
I was blinded
I was blinded
I was blinded

Subtract a few decades and you could probably replace your targets there with Blacks and Jews, maybe Asians too. I suspect tomorrow it will be Mexicans. God bless you Mul, its you against the world.

I am a big picture thinker. Hopefully some day you will see it.

Let us not forget who freed the blacks, passed the Civil Rights Act against Democrat filibuster, and is currently the greatest supporter of the Jewish state on the face of Earth...Let's not forget that Islam was arm-in-arm with the Third Reich, and bare a striking resemblance to today's Islam.