The Creation of Amerika the Fearful

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stuartj
If that is correct, what effect do you think is having in the way the rest of the world, specifically but not exclusivley the Islamic world, might view the foreign policy actions and motives of the USA?

They think we are pussies, this emboldens them. The rest of the world shouldn't open their mouths, as they sit idly by eating caviar and drinking champagne as mass atrocities are committed by members of the Human Rights Commission.

[stuartj]

Its curious that you are so scared of the world.

Still, not long now. The Train is coming.

[Mulhollanddose]

"The prison in question was inspected by my team in Jan. 1998. It appeared to be a prison for children - toddlers up to pre-adolescents - whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene. Actually I'm not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I'm waging peace."


Bush liberated 50 million people...No thanks to you or terrorist sympathizing types like you.

[stuartj]

So you are saying that its acceptable to treat non US citizens in a manner that is unacceptable, and in fact, illegal, for US citizen to be treated. Is that correct?

[Jim Richards]

Stuart, you're spending too much energy on people (e.g., mul) that would've felt right at home in the Third Reich. Hopefully their political heroes will be purged in the 2006 and 2008 elections. It's time to set America back on a course that Americans can be proud of.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Stupid question. They are not American citizens and not protected by American law. They are enemy combatants not protected by the Geneva convention, as they were not uniformed state soldiers.

Since US law concerning detainee's and those arrested is a restriction on the US government, all US law does in fact apply at all times and places the US government finds itself.

Further, the US Constitution is law, and the foundation of all US law, including all amendments to it, it also restricts the US government at all times and places. There is no "people who are not protected" since the laws in question restrict government.

It's clear you don't understand the law.

Figures.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Bush liberated 50 million people...No thanks to you or terrorist sympathizing types like you.

Bush liberated no one. The above is a lie.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Stuart, you're spending too much energy on people (e.g., mul) that would've felt right at home in the Third Reich. Hopefully their political heroes will be purged in the 2006 and 2008 elections. It's time to set America back on a course that Americans can be proud of.

Jim
Im not interested in Mul. He is a plonker and simply serves to illustrate the radical conservative Xtain thinking that much of the ROW now associates with the USA.

Im interested in all the people that might read this thread and reflect on what is happening in Cuba in their names.
Stuart

[Jim Richards]

plonker...I love that word! It sounds so...Mul!

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by stuartj
Jim
Im not interested in Mul. He is a plonker and simply serves to illustrate the radical conservative Xtain thinking that much of the ROW now associates with the USA.

Im interested in all the people that might read this thread and reflect on what is happening in Cuba in their names.
Stuart

Here is my simple take on it.

Americans who hate Bush and/or all things republican have their views on this muddied by politics whether they know it or not. Most Americans, if politics were left out of the equation and in light of 9/11, would not give a rats @ss about how nice a bunch of suspected islamo terrorists are being treated on a base in Cuba. I for one, am proud that the United States of America has taken a stand against these whackos instead of just bending over and taking it like some other countries seem to do.

I am interested why it TRULY bothers you so much. Are you an Islamo terrorist fearful of being detained yourself, an "all things Bush" hater, or do you truly worry that the US constitution is somehow being compromised? Maybe you just hate the US.

[Jim Richards]

Tim, I think you're reaching on the "Americans who hate Bush and/or all things republican." I vote both ways, and will continue to do so. Torture is morally wrong. The line between interrogation and torture shouldn't be crossed, but it was as evidenced by Abu Graib (sp?). The US hater line is BS, too. Come on man, be less reactionary like Mul and start thinking about moral values. You have them, right?

[Rodeo]

I'm an American, proud of our country and what it stands for. It punishes the guilty and it leaves alone the innocent. It does this through something called justice.

America doesn't throw people in holes for years without charges or trial.

I truly cannot conceive of anyone condoning torturing and imprisoning someone for years without charges or trial because somebody's brother or Uncle or neighbor turned them over to the Americans for a reward.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Tim, I think you're reaching on the "Americans who hate Bush and/or all things republican." I vote both ways, and will continue to do so. Torture is morally wrong. The line between interrogation and torture shouldn't be crossed, but it was as evidenced by Abu Graib (sp?). The US hater line is BS, too. Come on man, be less reactionary like Mul and start thinking about moral values. You have them, right?

My point I guess is that many who get worked up over the Abu Guraib prisoner abuse and the whole Cuba detainee issues just allow themselves to get so worked up because initially they see it as a way to claim foul on the present administration or the US in general.

I do not condone mass prisoner torture (eg Japanese in WW2),
I just think this issue has been blown out of proportion by some for less than moralistic reasons.

The idea of making life uncomfortable for a detainee in hopes of gleaning some intel on his buddies which might prevent another attack on innocent civilians passes my moral test. I think many people with the passing of time are starting to forget the horror of 9/11. I believe that the terrorists still want to kill the infedels just like they did before Iraq or Bush's presidency. Short of nuking the whole ME, any efforts to minimize their future efforts works for me.

[Jim Richards]

Tim, I can't argue, but let's not assume are all taking this stand just because of hate for B2/Repubs/neo-cons/USA. We're often times just morally P.O.'ed.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stuartj
So you are saying that its acceptable to treat non US citizens in a manner that is unacceptable, and in fact, illegal, for US citizen to be treated. Is that correct?

They are treated too nicely. This is creating more problems, not less. That said, in typical lefty form, you are focusing on an isolated incident to impugn and malign the whole military. You are sliming them to slander Bush. Those involved in public displays of terrorist humiliation (although justified in my mind) were being prosecuted by the military you hate...Your protestations are not founded in morality but in hate. You malevolently pull out the color of moral outrage to paint the terrorists white, and pull out blood red to fling at the American military and intentionally splatter at Bush.

As you do cheerleader kicks you reveal your feminity, your skirt is short and revealing, your pompoms reveal your hysteria, you indirectly and sometimes directly root for the enemy.

[Jim Richards]

Mul...the reincarnation of Himmler or Goebbels?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Mul...the reincarnation of Himmler or Goebbels?

Don't forget, they rode on a wave of socialism. They were godless Jew (practicing) and Christian hating collectivists. They were sure their philosophy was superior and used the authority of mandate to shove it down their subjects' throats. The difference between fascists and Democrats is only execution.

[IROC]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Don't forget, they rode on a wave of socialism. They were godless Jew (practicing) and Christian hating collectivists. They were sure their philosophy was superior and used the authority of mandate to shove it down their subjects' throats. The difference between fascists and Democrats is only execution.

That must be why Hitler said this:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922"

[Jim Richards]

Mul, it's all in good fun. rumor has it you were a big Clinton supporter, and that you also cried yourself to sleep the night Kerry lost the election to B2. We're here for you buddy, we're here for you.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by IROC
That must be why Hitler said this:

No one taken seriously believes Hitler was a Christian...Hitler was about as Christian as Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton. Hitler was Christian long enough to fool the masses, sorta like the Democrat party.