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legion 05-22-2006 11:47 AM

Racist Comments
 
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Tolerance of destructive personal habits and low education expectations are crippling young black Americans, especially men. This is just the voice America needs to break through the silence.
We all know that it is the pervasive racism in American society that keeps black men down. Whoever made these comments is clearly racist themselves.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060522/cm_usatoday/funnymansseriousmessage

dhoward 05-22-2006 11:54 AM

Racist.

tabs 05-22-2006 11:54 AM

Without having to look at your link it sounds like Bill Cosby... I have to agree with Bill....he makes some fkin sense...instead of handouts designed to be handups...you gotta do it yourself...

An old friend of my Daddys (85 years old) told me an econ prof of his back in the 30s said, "The poor will always be with us." That means that no matter how much or how hard one tries there are some people you just can't help.

RANDY P 05-22-2006 11:55 AM

don't forget such good, positive programs such as affirmative action and school quotas... :rolleyes:

rjp

dhoward 05-22-2006 11:55 AM

"The world needs ditch diggers too."
-Judge Smails

YTNUKLR 05-22-2006 12:23 PM

Oh, the fodder of capitalism...

Granted, I'm not AT ALL IN ANY WAY a racist, I'm just a realist that understands that poor black people are not poor because they are black, but for other reasons...

1967 R50/2 05-22-2006 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
An old friend of my Daddys (85 years old) told me an econ prof of his back in the 30s said, "The poor will always be with us." That means that no matter how much or how hard one tries there are some people you just can't help.
There is no great insight there. The econ prof was beaten to the punch by 1900 years. Either that, or he just quoted Jesus. Look it up. John 12:8.

HardDrive 05-22-2006 12:42 PM

Go Bill go.

Decades of social programs, lawsuits, entitlement programs....and we are supposed to believe that is white racism keeping black folks down?

Oh please.....

legion 05-22-2006 01:06 PM

The numbers that stuck out to me in the article were a 50% high school drop-out rate, 25% incarceration rate, and 70% unemployment rate amoung black men. Those numbers are outrageous! While "the poor will always be with us", I don't think that even that sentiment can fully explain these numbers. Neither can racism.

I think the (lack of) sense of personal responsibility among black men explains the most. When you go into adult life convienently blaming racism for your believed destiny as a failure, there is no motivation to try. Fatalism is killing black America. I think that entitlement programs, while creating a "floor " for some, also create a "ceiling" for many more.

livi 05-22-2006 01:25 PM

"Whats wrong with working at lumberyards? I own two of them."

"Yeah, I notice you donīt spend much time there."

"Na, not sure where they are."

- Chevy Chase in the same movie as Judge Smails.

alf 05-22-2006 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by YTNUKLR
... poor black people are not poor because they are black, but for other reasons...
+1.

snowman 05-22-2006 02:15 PM

Anyone consider the possibility that some people are just plain STUPID, LAZY, BUMS? NOte none of what I just said identified any race, creed, or nationality of anyone. So the statement is not racist.

Rick V 05-22-2006 03:03 PM

It's Bushes fault.
Sorry I havn't been able to use that one latley

tabs 05-22-2006 03:40 PM

Does anybody notice anything different between the Black population in Africa and the USA...aren't all Black men shiftless and irresponsible???? In other words its cultural....

Moneyguy1 05-22-2006 03:58 PM

My brother travels to Ghana on a regular basis on business. You should see some of the artwork and detailed craftsmanship out of that little country. Not to mention they do something unusual: They teach comparative religions in their schools as well as (my God.How dare they?) family values. The religions are taught as simply the ways in which people worship...no sides or preferences made. Order their textbooks to see how it is done. Here, no one dare mention religion of any kind, even if it is for educational purposes. Same with family values, spelling out the duties and responsibilities of each family member such as respect, understanding, obedience of children to mention a few...

Imagine teaching and expecting tolerance and understanding...What a novel concept!!

RANDY P 05-22-2006 04:01 PM

I always remembered the exchange students from various parts of Africa -they always considered themselves different than the Blacks here.

rjp

legion 05-22-2006 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
My brother travels to Ghana on a regular basis on business. You should see some of the artwork and detailed craftsmanship out of that little country. Not to mention they do something unusual: They teach comparative religions in their schools as well as (my God.How dare they?) family values. The religions are taught as simply the ways in which people worship...no sides or preferences made. Order their textbooks to see how it is done. Here, no one dare mention religion of any kind, even if it is for educational purposes. Same with family values, spelling out the duties and responsibilities of each family member such as respect, understanding, obedience of children to mention a few...

Imagine teaching and expecting tolerance and understanding...What a novel concept!!

Not so:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060522/cm_usatoday/howoneschooldistrictfoundreligion

dd74 05-22-2006 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
Does anybody notice anything different between the Black population in Africa and the USA...aren't all Black men shiftless and irresponsible???? In other words its cultural....
Yes, Tabs: you're so right. Here are some perfect examples:

http://www.diversity.msu.edu/mlk/pho...es-baldwin.jpg
James Baldwin: " shiftless" Pulitzer Prize winning novelist.

http://www.mlkonline.net/images/photos/mlk3.jpg
Dr. Martin Luther King: "shiftless" civil rights activist.

http://www.newgenevacenter.org/portrait/tutu.jpg
Desmond Tutu: "shiftless" world leader.

Yep, it's cultural... :rolleyes:

Mulhollanddose 05-22-2006 05:15 PM

What do the above all have in common?....They accepted and practiced the Judeo-Christian philosophy and ethic...They rejected mother Africa and her decay and prospered because of the superior philosophy and religion of Christ.

The decay in urban black America does, unfortunately, parallel the brutality and decay in Africa...They have nobody to blame except themselves and the poverty-pimps of the Democrat party.

FrayAdjacent911 05-22-2006 05:21 PM

Totally racist. As a white man, I know that it is me, and my fellow white men, that make life so bad for black men.

Gosh, EVERYONE knows that!!

lendaddy 05-22-2006 05:35 PM

If I had a dollar for each of the people I've opressed.......

cool_chick 05-22-2006 05:38 PM


http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/clap.gif

I would so support this in my community.....

dd74 05-22-2006 05:56 PM

Cosby's been doing this for a while. Yes, whites have called it racist, but I can't think of a single black, either of prominence or an average guy on the street, who has called Cosby a racist or what he says racially motivated.

Don Ro 05-22-2006 06:01 PM

Re: Racist Comments
 
Quote:

Originally posted by legion
We all know that it is the pervasive racism in American society that keeps black men down. Whoever made these comments is clearly racist themselves.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060522/cm_usatoday/funnymansseriousmessage

Racists?
A joke, right?
I read the article/link...I didn't see the racism.
Where is it?
:confused:

You're being facetious, methinks. ;)
I must be slow today.

Don Ro 05-22-2006 06:05 PM

Hell, a white could say all that and it wouldn't be racism, in my view.
Too much focus on racism in this culture.
Little bitty feelings get hurty-poo too quickly, methinks.

CamB 05-22-2006 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What do the above all have in common?....They accepted and practiced the Judeo-Christian philosophy and ethic...They rejected mother Africa and her decay and prospered because of the superior philosophy and religion of Christ.

The decay in urban black America does, unfortunately, parallel the brutality and decay in Africa...They have nobody to blame except themselves and the poverty-pimps of the Democrat party.

What the hell are you trying to say in the second paragraph (not the bit about the Democrats - you've bashed that to death before)?

snowman 05-22-2006 08:11 PM

You is right. No self respecting black or anyone else of a differen't race, than white, could disagree. Only the race baters, and racist of all cultures disagree. Everyone who has half a brain, and most blacks and people of any cultrue agree with what has to be done. Only the most racist, eg ML Coons sidekick, can state otherwise. King may have been an upstanding guy, I would not have chosen a plagerist as a hero, myself, but be what may, thats their choice. Most self respecting people of any cultrue, race, reject the claims of he race baters, with good reason. Jessie Jackson is a Racist.

nine_one_4 05-22-2006 08:50 PM

This is one of their major problems.

http://www.freewebs.com/likeoldsportscars/Reality.htm

tabs 05-23-2006 01:42 AM

Yep but they sure can play Basketball.....

SlowToady 05-23-2006 04:48 AM

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Dr. Martin Luther King: "shiftless" civil rights activist.
You are aware of King's long history of plagiarism, aren't you? His doctoral thesis, which Boston University stated after an investigation had been plagiarized, most of his academic papers, speeches and sermons.

He was a plagiarist and an adulterer, some kind of hero to have.

nine_one_4 05-23-2006 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by SlowToady


You are aware of King's long history of plagiarism, aren't you? His doctoral thesis, which Boston University stated after an investigation had been plagiarized, most of his academic papers, speeches and sermons.

He was a plagiarist and an adulterer, some kind of hero to have.

I had never heard of the plagiarism allegation (I wonder why) but didn't one of his best friends write a book saying that King had been with two women, neither of whom was wife, the night before he was killed?

scottmandue 05-23-2006 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
My brother travels to Ghana on a regular basis on business. You should see some of the artwork and detailed craftsmanship out of that little country. Not to mention they do something unusual: They teach comparative religions in their schools as well as (my God.How dare they?) family values. The religions are taught as simply the ways in which people worship...no sides or preferences made. Order their textbooks to see how it is done. Here, no one dare mention religion of any kind, even if it is for educational purposes. Same with family values, spelling out the duties and responsibilities of each family member such as respect, understanding, obedience of children to mention a few...

Imagine teaching and expecting tolerance and understanding...What a novel concept!!

Won't fly in this country... it would ruin someone self esteem or some such thing.
;)
Besides this country is kept alive by name calling and placement of blame... anarchy would no doubt ensue.

SlowToady 05-23-2006 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by nine_one_4
I had never heard of the plagiarism allegation (I wonder why) but didn't one of his best friends write a book saying that King had been with two women, neither of whom was wife, the night before he was killed?
http://www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/pinc/apr2000/books/gt_plagiarism.html

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/additional_resources/articles/palimp.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._-_authorship_issues

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/mlking.asp

Boston University, after conducting an investigation, concluded that King plagiarised his doctoral thesis (around 47%) and put a note on King's thesis in their archieves saying as much. Interestingly enough, the same doctoral committee that reviewed King's thesis reviewed the thesis he copied from (Jack Boozer) about 3 or 4 years prior. You didn't hear about it when it was discovered in the early 1990s, because the media covered it up, they didn't want to run the story. Wonder why...

I'm not sure about the book you mention, but it is widely known that King slept around quite a bit, and I have heard that he slept with two women in a motel the night before he was killed. Not sure if there was a book on it though.

Flatbutt1 05-23-2006 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by nine_one_4
a book saying that King had been with two women, neither of whom was wife, the night before he was killed?
and if he was having sex with them does that make him better or worse than a white man?:rolleyes:

dd74 05-23-2006 07:30 AM

Good for him that he can hump two women in one night, and plagarism? Who cares? And I hear he had a horrific temper as well. Please!

The good he attempted for humanity far outweighs the wrongs of his personal life, neither of which crossed each other in public it seems since adultury and plagarism aren't widely associated with Dr. King.

nine_one_4 05-23-2006 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by flatbutt
and if he was having sex with them does that make him better or worse than a white man?:rolleyes:
Blacks are, on average, worse than whites (e.g., abandon their children at greater rates, are less intelligent, more murderous, more corrupt etc.) and the differences between individual Blacks and Whites are multiplied in their societies to produce the differences that we see between Black and White societies.

snowman 05-23-2006 09:11 AM

Thats just their culture. All cultrues are equal, you know.

I guess King deserves some credit for actually doing something with the ideas he plagerized. But to make him a hero, an icon??? Bill Cosby is a much more suitable person to make an icon. I suspect most self respecting blacks agree with Cosby in general. I don't know why they support King.

pmajka 05-23-2006 11:20 AM

So does England have this same problem with Race and prosperity? What of France and Spain?

CamB 05-23-2006 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by nine_one_4
This is one of their major problems.

http://www.freewebs.com/likeoldsportscars/Reality.htm

Well... leaves only two options really:

1) what you linked to is bollocks - no action required

2) what you linked to is somehow based in fact rather than twisting facts. Best answer - spend lots of money equalizing outcomes (through education) for African Americans and any other disadvantaged people.

Oh, and I'm about 99% sure you are Alfred and have been banned twice for being racist.

snowman 05-23-2006 08:18 PM

The info on IQ might be correct, but so what?? Exactly how does this affect legal rights? Not at all. It does affect outcome of education however. But our system is NOT equal outcome, its equal opportuntiy. Unfortunately some not so intelligent people are demanding equal outcome. Not possible, with any race, culture or whatever. These are the idiots that need to be taught something.

No two people are equal. But their rights are.

Lets face the facts, I am better looking, smarter, stronger, and superior in all ways to anyone else on the planet. Everyone else has the same right to be the same as me, legally, but certainly not as good looking.


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