Schu(Michael)... tries something new

[nostatic]

you mean the marshalls waving yellow flags like crazy?

Dottore, I guess we agree to disagree. While "parking" might not have become the move of the day, I would venture a guess that teams and drivers would be thinking, "hmmm, MS got away with that, maybe I'll try xxx..."

Sorry, but I think that drivers are one of the worst group of "see an inch, take a foot."

[450knotOffice]

Hmm. Alonso. It doesn't look like he slowed down at all for that corner, does it? It looks to me like he actually lost time because of the guy in front of him.

Flavio saw an opportunity and jumped on it, imo.

[911 in SC]

Well, IMO, MS hugged the inside of the corner so he WOULD miss it. He certainly didn't over-cook the corner either.

Replay it again and see how wide FA takes the same corner, even with MS sitting there. He still made the turn with little to no trouble at all. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Looks like it was planned to me. Also, the theatrics of MS didn't really work for me either... That said, I don't think MS should have been placed at the back of the grid, but I do think he should have been penalized some how.

I agree. We'll have to agree to disagree here.

A big thanks goes to cashflyer for the video find!!! Thanks man! See ya' soon?

[cashflyer]

I have watched the clips over and over.... and I still don't know which camp I believe. Even if it was a completely honest error, I will say that I believe he is too good to have made this type error.

Maybe he was distracted by the woman with the big hooters?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by cashflyer


Maybe he was distracted by the woman with the big hooters?

in Monaco? At an F1 race? Surely you jest...

[911 in SC]

Ha! At any F1 race...

Anyone get pics of the grid girls...

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by 911 in SC
I think there will be a STEEP learning curve for all of the drivers, not just FA. Personally, I think FA is on his way to his second championship. At least I hope he is...

I beg to differ. To look at MS and FA's in car telematry the announcers always marvel at how much sooner FA is on the gas (to the floor) they fail to point out the TC working overtime to keep up with him. Yet at the same time MS's TC light is barely a flicker. MS is 10X more smooth than FA and it will show immensely in the 2008 season. I just hope the FIA BS that is going down does not slant MS towards retirement.

This win for FA was an empty a win as MS's win in Indy last year. Must feel good to need the help of some obviously slanted French stewards at the Monaco GP to get your win.

From P22 to P5 who was the real winner at Monaco? I cannto say how much I was begging for a safety car after MS passed Alonso and was on the same lap. That would have put MS right behind with about 6 laps to go.

Bottom line? The FIA called MS a LIAR. That simple, the #1 driver in the field has been disgrased by the FIA.

Mosely was dancing around it in an interview.

It is obvious that FA is the new golden child of F-1. It will be awesoem if MS can take him out of the championship by seasons end.

Hopefully Michelin will bring the worng tires to Indy again. Then MS can get an easy 10 points on FA.

[turbo6bar]

said the schumi fan

[Jims5543]

Actually I am a huge Red Bull fan. I love DC and Speed and wish they would do better. It was good to see DC on the podium.

MS is what initially drew me to the sport and to see him slammed like he is a cheater is sad to me. Maybe the end of a golden era.

I think the FIA ruling was a load. I do not like FA and think he is an arrogent jerk. I do not Flavio and think he ate his words when he predicted MS would get away with his "stunt" and he never apologised for his accusations. That whole Renault team blows, they are French for starters do I need to elaborate further?

[Jims5543]

Oh, I guess if he hit the wall and screwed up his car it would have been all good. Massa must have been trying to srew up everyones laps in the Q2 session as well, it all a big conspiracy!!

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i'm just pissed that they butchered the interviews....again. looks like i have to wait until next week for speed to re-broadcast the race to see what DC had to say after his first redbull podium
i'm glad to see DC near the front again.....he's had it tough.

i don't quite understand shueys turning the wheel strait in the replay.....unless he felt the car doing something we couldn't see on tv, if he did do something "wrong", i wouldn't go as far as calling it cheating....i would call it an interesting interpritation of the rules.....that's all a good cheat is anyway.

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by cashflyer
For those who missed it, here is the video link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3741057503206935720&q=Schumacher...
and in slo-mo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6348940254973305221&q=Schumacher.

Thank you for those vids.

FA does not look to have slowed at all.

MS looked to be in an terrible understeer situation and saved his car from hitting the wall.

FIA has its respective heads up its butts.

Hollow victory for FA.

Good to see DC on the podium hope to see much more sans the cape.

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Originally posted by Jim Cesiro


Good to see DC on the podium hope to see much more sans the cape.

at least the storm troopers suits last year weren't so flamboyant

[Jims5543]

Poor DC.....

[Jims5543]

LOL!!

[Tervuren]

Personaly, I'd be proud of a red cape after a race!

[nostatic]

it will be interesting to see how FA does without TC. Or Kimi for that matter. I don't think you can fault him for driving the car to its current limits though. As they say, "more will be revealed." But if you watch the telemetry from the cars, FA does rely on TC more than most.

I'm no FA fan. I think he's a good driver, but I think both MS and Kimi are better. And I think Rossburg will surpass FA. The Renault car is just better (more reliable) than anything else on the grid. But I wouldn't call Monaco as "hollow" as the USGP. FA ran against a full fleld. He didn't have to contend with MS on his tail the whole way, but he's done that before and won.

Flavio needs to lose a few pounds...but it's amazing what a ton of money will get you in the woman department

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by nostatic
But I wouldn't call Monaco as "hollow" as the USGP. FA ran against a full fleld. He didn't have to contend with MS on his tail the whole way, but he's done that before and won.

I would call it VERY hollow. Instead if chasing MS around, he got a clean track to lead the way while MS fought his way back through 17 positions. If the stewarts had not called MS a liar he would have won, check that, crushed FA.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
I would call it VERY hollow. Instead if chasing MS around, he got a clean track to lead the way while MS fought his way back through 17 positions. If the stewarts had not called MS a liar he would have won, check that, crushed FA.

Like the way MS crushed FA earlier in the season? What makes you think he would have spanked FA? Were you watching different practice and qualifying sessions than me? You can put an asterisk by it, but I fail to see how MS was way faster than FA. He wasn't during *any* of the practice sessions, and arguable wasn't in qualifying.

[Dennis Kalma]

Well Jim, I expect we will never agree on whether Michael is in fact a liar or not....you are entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be.

In terms of TC, I think that all of the "old" drivers who grew up in F1 without TC will go back to the old ways pretty easily, while the kids who have always had it will face a bit of a challenge. F1 magazine showed the trace for FA's driving and did note (if I recall correctly) that he indeed did lean on traction control a lot, as well as having an odd, sharp turn in technique. Not that I am arguing with his technique (he has exactly 1 more world championship than I do), just note that it is different.

I also recall that when JV and Massa were being compared, JV was a lot easier on the tires and car than Massa, I suspect it comes from the experience when things were more fragile and which required a more gentle touch than what Massa may have been used to. I suspect that Coulthard, Michael and all those guys would have similar habits and are easy on the machinery.

In terms of the FIA, I think they are a bunch of schlemiel's, but I think that they would have gone through a lot of soul searching before taking their beloved Ferrari and MS out of the front row and a very likely winning position. If MS would have never done anything in the past, I would have given the benefit of the doubt, but considering everything from the Schumacher chop to his delightful habit of ramming the competition when he is losing.....well, even if he is innocent in this case, he has it coming.

And no, FA did not have a hollow victory, I think the challenges from Raikkonen and Webber made him really work for his win, Schumacher would have added to the affair but not materially.

And by the way.....the stewards did not call MS a liar.....he is convicted.

Dennis