Falsely accused Marine vindicated

[CamB]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I speak for the military. I speak as their advocate.

And you do the military a disservice, unfortunately.

From what school of thought did you left leaning folk derive this theory that one must serve in order to offer opinion?

If you want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to have served if you want to offer the type and level of opinion (and invective) that you do.

This job that I so skillfully volunteer my time is as, if not more, important as the fight abroad...It is the propaganda war, upon which we lost Vietnam, which I refuse to allow the pro-communist left to accomplish in Iraq.

Skillfully, eh? That shouldn't be something you make your own judgement on. I'm not sure the <50 odd people here, the vast majority of whom are rational and actually pretty sympathetic to the military and the difficult position they are in, are the primary front on the "propoganda war" of which you speak. In case you hadn't noticed, this is the off-topic forum in a Porsche bulletin board. This is already a conservative supporting, military loving, capitalist demographic (IMHO). Since you're seeing Reds under the bed... is it time to ask yourself if you might be wrong.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What is this liberal nonsense...One must serve in order to have an opinion on an operation?...Is that the play?...

Priceless. That line usually gets a run when someone comenst in a manner antipathetic towards the military.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
mul is the kind of person that will be willing to hold the coats of those actually putting their lives on the line.

Maybe.....If it isn't too much of an imposition.

Consistently inconsistent!!

Long ago there was a Jules Pheiffer cartoon of two effete men playing tennis wherein ones says he wished he'd been in the military for the experience, and the other says yes, but he prefered to let others gain the experience and learn about it from them.

Mull is like those two.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
Aha! Change the subject (and call people names) when you're cornered in a dead end. A fine tactic (of both the left and right...of which you are neither).

This thread Todd?...A bunch of leftists who have never served, who routinely criticize the military and the CIC, have owned me?...lol

The enemy has a friend in you, Todd...They listen to the rhetoric of your masters and they feel encouraged.

[RoninLB]

mass-media morphed from supporting the government to criminality to any politican who doesn't agree with them.

and then along came all these college kids that were now able to think like college kids forever.

Woodstock generation rules.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by fastpat
I don't know how long you wore a military uniform, but my military service began in 1967 and ended in 2003. You do the math.

I did the math. 6 years active and about 17 reserve/guard....that works out to less than 10 years actual time in uniform based on typical Reservist or Nat'l Guard... which is much less than many posters here. I have almost 3 times that amount myself. You only dream about being a real soldier. Go back to your bedpans.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Oh .. I get it. You don't believe the book or the academic study by an urban legend expert debunking the spitting myth.

The conclusions don't fit your worldview, huh? Well, just reject them.

Jeez, guys like you probably still believe Saddam had WMDs.

It was widely refuted on the site it was posted on. Even a liberal moron (if honest) would be able to see what poor research was done. The man refused to accept eyewitness reports of something that could only be substantiated by the same....duh.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fintstone
I did the math. 6 years active and about 17 inactive....that works out to less than 10 years actual time in uniform based on typical Reservist or Nat'l Guard... which is much less than many posters here. I have almost 3 times that amount myself. You only dream about being a real soldier. Go back to your bedpans.

Ya!...so there!....[/taunting tongue]

[fintstone]

Originally posted by fastpat
Actually, everyone, this is not true. If someone jumps you, you've always been, not only allowed, but expected to defend yourself. You had to not be at fault, in the slightest, but if walking on a street, in or out of uniform, and attacked you can defend yourself. Spitting is not, either if civilian or military, considered a physical attack except in certain very special circumstances.

"In the context of criminal law, "assault and battery" are typically components of a single offense. In tort law, "assault" and "battery" are separate, with an assault being an act which creates fear of an imminent battery, and the battery being an unlawful touching. Assault and battery are intentional torts, meaning that the defendant actually intends to put the plaintiff in fear of being battered, or intends to wrongfully touch the plaintiff. The wrongful touching need not inflict physical injury, and may be indirect (such as contact through a thrown stone, or spitting). This article describes the law of assault and battery as it is commonly applied, although the law may vary in any specific jurisdiction"

In this day and age bodily fluid can be HIV infected or worse. If you feel that you are defending yourself, you have every right to prevent futher battery by necessary means. I will fight that legal battle if necessary to prevent my further battery...after all...it is self-defense...and i am sure that most any jury would side with me against someone who would spit on a veteran.

[gavinlit]

It comes down to what is appropriate action for defending yourself. If you feel that beating the bejesus out of someone is appropriate 'defense' then I'd say you have some other issues to sort out. Over here we use the guideline of 'reasonable and necessary force'. Your response seems to be somewhat higher than that.

None of the above has any impact on you being in uniform at the time. Seems like a storm in a teacup to me.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by stuartj
Priceless. That line usually gets a run when someone comenst in a manner antipathetic towards the military.

One does not have to have served in the military to make broad generalized statements regarding the military as Mul does. Military members appreciate support from folks like Mul who do not try to besmirch out honor by echoing every terrorist lie. In fact, I would expect that from any US citizen.

The problem is when some of the anti-military crowd who post here presume to be able to make claims regarding the truthfulness of personal experiences in the military that many who post here report...when they have little or no experience themselves.
Or even worse, they do like Patsy Murtha and play the expert, then attempt to inoculate themselves with their very limited military experience so that their misrepresentations cannot be refuted.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fintstone
One does not have to have served in the military to make broad generalized statements regarding the military as Mul does. Military members appreciate support from folks like Mul who do not try to besmirch out honor by echoing every terrorist lie. In fact, I would expect that from any US citizen.

Extra Extra...READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!...Maul given thumbs up by the active duty military!

[fintstone]

Originally posted by gavinlit
It comes down to what is appropriate action for defending yourself. If you feel that beating the bejesus out of someone is appropriate 'defense' then I'd say you have some other issues to sort out. Over here we use the guideline of 'reasonable and necessary force'. Your response seems to be somewhat higher than that.

None of the above has any impact on you being in uniform at the time. Seems like a storm in a teacup to me.

Spitting on one has been upheld in US law as "deeply offensive" physical contact. As a general rule, it is typically reserved for uniformed police officers and unifromed military members. I would have to say that if someone spits on a person, he should expect to have the "bejesus" beat out of him. I would consider any less force unreasonable.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by fintstone
Spitting on one has been upheld in US law as "deeply offensive" physical contact. As a general rule, it is typically reserved for uniformed police officers and unifromed military members. I would have to say that if someone spits on a person, he should expect to have the "bejesus" beat out of him. I would consider any less force unreasonable.

You would be arrested then, for using excessive force. Under the law, you may only use such force as necessary to remove the immediate "danger" of grave bodily harm or death. One could also argue, as would a lawyer representing the person beaten, that if you feared being infected by the person's spittle, why you were not equally or more afraid of their blood.

You'd get your ass kicked in court, don't try it.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by fintstone
I did the math. 6 years active and about 17 reserve/guard....that works out to less than 10 years actual time in uniform based on typical Reservist or Nat'l Guard... which is much less than many posters here. I have almost 3 times that amount myself. You only dream about being a real soldier. Go back to your bedpans.

Since we don't know what it is you have done, nor the service you allegedly served in, no one can tell if your service was as "a real soldier" or as something else.

So, I'd suggest you go back to collecting welfare, or try digging ditches, wear gloves as it's unlikely you've seen real work in a long time.

[Rodeo]

fint's pretty funny ... he pretends that his "service" or whatever it is, is top secret. Unless he wants to look like a big man, then he selectively gives details. Kinda like the president, selective leaking to make himself look more important than he is.

And to distort the truth.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by fastpat
Since we don't know what it is you have done, nor the service you allegedly served in, no one can tell if your service was as "a real soldier" or as something else.

So, I'd suggest you go back to collecting welfare, or try digging ditches, wear gloves as it's unlikely you've seen real work in a long time.

I've posted regarding my service here many times before. Almost 26 years active AF..almost 4 AF Reserve (and still serving)...3 years DoD Civil Service. I don't claim to be "a real soldier," I am an Airman. Since I am still in and did not cut and run when hostilities started like you...I am really not going to discuss in detail exactly what I do...as most active posters here. It is called "OPSEC." If you had spent much time actually in uniform instead of bashing those that are...you would understand. Cry me a river, toy soldier, now back to your bedpans and your anti-American, pro-terrorist rantings, and your 72 virgins (cows).

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
fint's pretty funny ... he pretends that his "service" or whatever it is, is top secret. Unless he wants to look like a big man, then he selectively gives details. Kinda like the president, selective leaking to make himself look more important than he is.

And to distort the truth.

I am not a "big man" but I am also not a spokesman for the military or DoD so anything I do not tell you is irrelevant and you only seek the information in an attempt to cause me trouble (my opinions are my own)...If you knew anything about the military, you would know that I am not at liberty to discuss much more than I already have (not that it is any of your business...besides you don't even understyand the generalities; so details would certainly be lost on you). Not because I am important, but because we have rules we follow. Note that others still serving do the same. There are lots of guys that post here that do some cool stuff for DoD and the military...that you know nothing about. I don't claim to be important....that is not what the word "service" represents. "Service" means that I do whatever it takes to do what I can accomplish to make the mission successful...whether it is directing troops or taking out the garbage....sort of the opposite of you and Patsy...who are doing everything you can to ensure we fail. Fortunately you are both pathetically inept.
Funny you point to the President as an example, liberals do the same to him. They try to weasel information out of he and other officials...so they can condemn them later for disclosing the same. You are just a sad little man for such tactics and fool no one. If you actually have specific questions regarding my service, perhaps you should ask instead of making such weenie remarks and insinuations. I have answered most of them in the past if they were reasonable...but I choose not to post my life's history on the internet like any sane person. I discussed my military service at length with those with the nads to come to the Vegas Pelican meet where your liberal friend spent $500 to determine my identity...too bad you were unable to come.

[Rodeo]

Wow fint is even more dishonest than I imagined!

Originally posted by fintstone
I've posted regarding my service here many times before.

Yes you have:

Originally posted by fintstone
Rodeo clown....Obviously you did not read eiither post. I did not claim to be in uniform or in the military in either post...try again.

But now,

Originally posted by fintstone
Almost 26 years active AF..almost 4 AF Reserve (and still serving)...

Dishonest, dishonest, dishonest.

Ugh! Why even bother engaging the guy? He says whatever suits him at the time. What a creep.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by fintstone
I am not a "big man" but I am also not a spokesman for the military or DoD so anything I do not tell you is irrelevant and you only seek the information in an attempt to cause me trouble (my opinions are my own)...If you knew anything about the military, you would know that I am not at liberty to discuss much more than I already have (not that it is any of your business...besides you don't even understyand the generalities; so details would certainly be lost on you). Not because I am important, but because we have rules we follow. Note that others still serving do the same. There are lots of guys that post here that do some cool stuff for DoD and the military...that you know nothing about. I don't claim to be important....that is not what the word "service" represents. "Service" means that I do whatever it takes to do what I can accomplish to make the mission successful...whether it is directing troops or taking out the garbage....sort of the opposite of you and Patsy...who are doing everything you can to ensure we fail. Fortunately you are both pathetically inept.
Funny you point to the President as an example, liberals do the same to him. They try to weasel information out of he and other officials...so they can condemn them later for disclosing the same. You are just a sad little man for such tactics and fool no one. If you actually have specific questions regarding my service, perhaps you should ask instead of making such weenie remarks and insinuations. I have answered most of them in the past if they were reasonable...but I choose not to post my life's history on the internet like any sane person. I discussed my military service at length with those with the nads to come to the Vegas Pelican meet where your liberal friend spent $500 to determine my identity...too bad you were unable to come.

Unmitigated bull*****. As I've stated several times, you're loyal to a government, and disloyal to America and Americans about whom you care nothing.

I will tell you straight up, the US government should fail, needs to fail, and will fail to defeat the Afghani's and the Iraqi's who are valiantly defending their countries from the ruthless, bloodsoaked invader, the government you so cherish.

A US government failure is good for America and Americans. That has always been true.