Falsely accused Marine vindicated

[rcecale]

Originally posted by fastpat
No, he was pointing out that people who intentionally change a post to alter the meaning, in other than a comical way; is very bad forum etiquette.

Oh, yes, and that people who do that are nobs.

Well then, I'm very glad I posted that little smiley face along with my edited quote of stuey. Otherwise I'd have been labeled a "nob" by a DICKHEAD!

Randy

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
These human scum aren't uniformed and use human shields. They have violated the Geneva Convention...Where is your outrage?...Why does your bleeding heart extend to murderers and tyrannical fundamentalism? These people are murderers and terrorists. They are trying, with the help of your ideological comrades, to turn Iraq into a totalitarian despotic hellhole.

What you say about these people may well be true. In which case they should be dealt with accordingly, under law.

OTOH, it may not be true. We dont know, do we? The fact that people have been released from Gitmo suggests that not all of them are the devils you describe.

Why should the marines of Halditha, who stand accused of the most heinous crime, be entitled to due process, when the inmates of Cuba are persona non gratia under an abolsute legal fiction created by the Bush junta deliberatley as a pretense to place these people beyond the reach of US or international law?

I am not sure some of you guys understand, and perhpas you dont care, the taint this puts on the US as a nation of laws.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Patsy....I am thinking of a word that begins with an "F" and ends with a "U"...Put several exclamation points on it and imagine me yelling it in your face with spittle hitting you in the eye.

Those stories were mostly bunk. I returned from overseas duty through Travis AFB, then through San Francisco Airport, right passed all the hippies laying all over the place, and never had one word said to me, and yes all the while in uniform.

In 1969.

You don't know squat about it.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
Those stories were mostly bunk. I returned from overseas duty through Travis AFB, then through San Francisco Airport, right passed all the hippies laying all over the place, and never had one word said to me, and yes all the while in uniform.

In 1969.

You don't know squat about it.

Are you suggesting that American military were not spit on by leftist hippies upon their return from Vietnam?

[914GT]

Originally posted by stuartj
Why should the marines of Halditha, who stand accused of the most heinous crime, be entitled to due process, when the inmates of Cuba are persona non gratia under an abolsute legal fiction created by the Bush junta deliberatley as a pretense to place these people beyond the reach of US or international law?

The detainees get fed better than our troops, have air conditioned cells, while the Marines are put in solitary confinement and shackled. That's really screwed up.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Are you suggesting that American military were not spit on by leftist hippies upon their return from Vietnam?

I didn't say never, I said mostly not. I never saw it happen, and met only one of two out of thousands of Vietnam veterans I've met, who claimed it happened. When we returned, we returned to a military base, only those that had to go to a civilian airport had any opportunity to meet civilians. If you think soldiers were yelled at, or spat upon, on a military base as they stepped off an airplane, you really are gullible.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by 914GT
Since when did the liberals get morals? Thanks for the laugh. You can go visit them for awhile if you need to gain some weight.

You've been offered this advice before, but you really ought take heed. Sometimes its better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove any doubt.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by 914GT
The detainees get fed better than our troops, have air conditioned cells, while the Marines are put in solitary confinement and shackled. That's really screwed up.

Who told you that crap?

[stuartj]

Originally posted by 914GT
The detainees get fed better than our troops, have air conditioned cells, while the Marines are put in solitary confinement and shackled. That's really screwed up.

David Hicks, inmate at Gunatanamo, has been held under conditions of "sensory deprivation" (CIA lexicon for torture, repellant even to then FBI) for EIGHT MONTHS and has been held without charge or trial for nearly five years.

Nation of Laws.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
Those stories were mostly bunk.

I find it interesting that you go to such lengths to rationalize and diminish the fact that Vietnam soldiers were spit on, upon returning from Vietnam...yet you spend no time diminishing what John Kerry and the pro-communist left said about our Vietnam soldiers...In Patsy-world the leftist propaganda was right all along...Interestingly you spend all your time and energy denigrating the United States and Conservatives and you spend the rest of your time parrotting leftist propaganda and other communist talking points.

You are a turn-coat, a Benedict Arnold, a neo-communist wrapped in a stained Confederate flag...I take large pleasure in the knowledge that nothing but disappointment and frustration will be on your last breath.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stuartj
[B]David Hicks, inmate at Gunatanamo, has been held under conditions of "sensory deprivation" (CIA lexicon for torture, repellant even to then FBI) for EIGHT MONTHS

He was deprived of sleep?...A terrorist was deprived of sleep?...This is your gripe?

[stuartj]

Perhaps you might like to inform yourself as to what the cosy euphemisum for the CIA practice of "sensory deprivation" involves.

[Mulhollanddose]

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I find it interesting that you go to such lengths to rationalize and diminish the fact that Vietnam soldiers were spit on, upon returning from Vietnam...

I just told you, those stories are bunk. Get over it.

yet you spend no time diminishing what John Kerry and the pro-communist left said about our Vietnam soldiers...

He mostly told the truth, you'd better get over that too, but it's completely irrelevant today, except for the fact that the "troops" are being caught on video tape commiting atrocities, and I'd bet there's not a few Vietnam vets that are thanking God today video wasn't available then.

In Patsy-world the leftist propaganda was right all along...Interestingly you spend all your time and energy denigrating the United States and Conservatives and you spend the rest of your time parrotting leftist propaganda and other communist talking points.

It wasn't leftist propaganda, if you've read the Pentagon Papers on Vietnam released by the heroic Daniel Ellsberg, you'd know that.

You are a turn-coat, a Benedict Arnold, a neo-communist wrapped in a stained Confederate flag...I take large pleasure in the knowledge that nothing but disappointment and frustration will be on your last breath.

You, like fintstone, are loyal to a government, and are disloyal, to your very marrow, to America and to Americans. The shame is on you, son.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by 914GT
The detainees get fed better than our troops, have air conditioned cells, while the Marines are put in solitary confinement and shackled. That's really screwed up.

When a prudent man hears such things, it behoves him to pause, reflect and ask himself "is that, on balance, likely to be true?"

[rcecale]

Originally posted by fastpat
Those stories were mostly bunk. I returned from overseas duty through Travis AFB, then through San Francisco Airport, right passed all the hippies laying all over the place, and never had one word said to me, and yes all the while in uniform.

In 1969.

You don't know squat about it.

Your boy Lembcke isn't the only one who wrote about this occurance...

Homecoming: When the Soldiers Returned from Vietnam (Hardcover)
by Bob Greene (Editor)

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
Chicago Tribune staffer Greene composed several of his syndicated columns around responses he received from Vietnam vets after he asked whether any of them had been spat upon. Unfortunately, the enormous impact of the columns is lost in their expansion to book form. Some servicemen were spat upon on their return, but more suffered verbal abuse or icy indifference. Many contributors point out that they did what their country asked them to do, and they were stunned by the cruelty, even savagery, of some of the anti-war protesters, many of whom proclaimed belief in love and peace. Some are still not reconciled to the treatment they received, while others welcome the change in the attitude toward them as a chance "to wipe a little spit off our hearts."
Copyright 1988 Reed Business Information, Inc.

From Library Journal
"Were you ever spat upon when you returned home to the United States?" asked syndicated columnist Greene of the Vietnam veterans among his readership. He received over 1000 letters in reply, many recounting specific details of just such a painfully remembered incident. Evidently this recollection of "hippies" (as they are often called in the letters) spitting on combat veterans has become one of the war's most unpleasant, enduring images. Conversely, other letters describe acts of generosity toward servicemen, from the typical free beers at the bar to a free show. But the over 200 letters excerpted here do more than confirm popular notions. They bring back the incidents of 20 years ago vividly, but not always with bitterness. And they reveal healing solidarity among veterans in response to what for many was not a happy homecoming. Recommended. Richard W. Grefrath, Univ. of Nevada Lib., Reno
Copyright 1989 Reed Business Information, Inc.

Randy

[ronin]

fastpat must be a fisherman from Egypt

[techweenie]

Re: 'spitting on soldiers'

I call BS. It's only in the past 12-15 years that those stories have come up. Go back to contemporaneous accounts and find people telling those stories if you can.

They didn't happen.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
I just told you, those stories are bunk. Get over it.

I smell a rat...you are that rat.

[ronin]

Originally posted by techweenie
Re: 'spitting on soldiers'

I call BS. It's only in the past 12-15 years that those stories have come up. Go back to contemporaneous accounts and find people telling those stories if you can.

They didn't happen.

DENIAAAAAAALLLLLL!!
you are wrong, plain and simple. these "stories" (as you allege) have been around as long as I can remember. that was in the early 70s

didn't happen.... oh puhleese