Falsely accused Marine vindicated

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by fastpat
It wasn't commentary, it's a legal fact.

separatist
farmer
subject of silly photographs
scholar
lew rockwell disciple
nurse
and now:
lawyer

he really does know it all....

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Eric 951
separatist
farmer
subject of silly photographs
scholar
lew rockwell disciple
nurse
and now:
lawyer

he really does know it all....

No, legal scholar. Lawyers aren't particularly knowledgeable of the philosophy and history of the law, since neither are required to practice their trade.

You don't really understand what a separatist is, do you?

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by fastpat
[B.

You don't really understand what a separatist is, do you? [/B]

There are many types of separatists. You need to clarify here--a separatist as it applies to what? government, socializing, economic, ....clarify.

[Rodeo]

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Sane people should and have stayed away from this discussion, with it's laughable premise that since the military charged one of its own with murder, then prosecuted that person unsuccessfully, Murtha is a traitor.

Carry on, insane clown posse.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Funny how all the liberals who keep thumping on their chests when something like this is shoved in our face by the media (techweenie and slopat in particular) are very silent on this thread?

Perhaps their computer died or their wife has them tied up in the basement and they cannot post...

Silent about what? Theres no substance here to comment on. Mul's unbackgrounded, uncited, unsourced...what, exactly? Grab from Free Republic? Script for OReilly? Or just the usual collection of sorry mouth breathers playing soggy sayo.

If this guy was charged, tried and found not guilty, great. Thats how its meant to work.

But Murtha seems an odd man for you guys to *HATE*. Thirty seven years in the USMC, Marine drill instructor, decororated Vietnam vet. Isnt he one of those patriotic bad asses y'all admire so much?

What on earth could make a 37 year badass Marine drill instructor (semper fi) turn on his beloved corp?

Conscience?

[ronin]

Originally posted by fastpat
It wasn't commentary, it's a legal fact.

where? in the land of tinfoil hats?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by ronin
where? in the land of tinfoil hats?

I can't speak to Washington state (assuming that's the land of tinfoil hats of which you made mention), but the Iraq invasion and attempted occupation by the US government is recognized as illegal by just about anyone who has studied the law in more than a cursory way. See the Downing Street Memo, for example.

[ronin]

of course. and the reason why this viewpoint gains no traction in the real world is just a media coverup. riiiight

[fastpat]

Originally posted by ronin
of course. and the reason why this viewpoint gains no traction in the real world is just a media coverup. riiiight

It's the dominant, accepted reality right now. Where are you living, in Iraq?

Nearly 70% of Americans hold the position today.

[Rodeo]

Pat's right. We invaded a sovereign nation that posed no threat to us, imminent or otherwise. Not even the administration tries to defend this war on those grounds any longer.

So when you take military action against another nation that poses no threat to you or your citizens, by definition, that is an illegal act.

Pat, you're still nuts But you are right about this one.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
It's the dominant, accepted reality right now. Where are you living, in Iraq?

Nearly 70% of Americans hold the position today.

The media not only manufactures the perceptions, but they manufacture the polls...I am sure you appreciate that, Patsy, as it is very reminiscent of the ministry of information, or Hitlerian propaganda.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stuartj
But Murtha seems an odd man for you guys to *HATE*. Thirty seven years in the USMC, Marine drill instructor, decororated Vietnam vet. Isnt he one of those patriotic bad asses y'all admire so much?

No, Murtha is a obviously a traitor and liberal apologist for anti-Americanism...There is no other way to explain a Marine finding his fellow Marines guilty before a trial, or continuously undermining the war, or continuously attempting to drive down recruitment, or stabbing the CIC in the back during wartime.

Murtha is a disgrace to the uniform. Ask a Marine.

[914GT]

Anybody with at least half a brain can see Murtha is a nut, from his public statements. Anyone defending that senile scumbag belongs with the other losers on the lefty blogs, where Murtha is put up on a pedestal.

[Moneyguy1]

Wow...

Such vitriol.

And all ofit opinion with no factual basis on either side.

Entertaining in a bizarre way.

So using the word "obviously" with no factual information makes it correct?

I hesitate to judge another man until I have something concrete with which to judge him, and that is difficult to do, especially in poltics, since all politics is emotion and no logic. Propaganda is the name of the game, whether it is currently referred to as "spin" or not.

[914GT]

To refresh your memory:

REP. JOHN “JACK” MURTHA: Well, I’ll tell you exactly what happened. One Marine was killed and the Marines just said we’re going to take care – we don’t know who the enemy is, the pressure was too much on them, so they went into houses and they actually killed civilians. And, and –

"Murtha, the ranking Democrat on the Defense Appropriations subcommittee and an opponent of Bush administration policy in Iraq, said he hadn't read the report but had learned about its findings from military commanders and other sources."

Now the story is in the process of unraveling.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
And all ofit opinion with no factual basis on either side.

Since you have been proven wrong, at least from my side's perspective, do you admit your error?

[Moneyguy1]

If I ask a question, it is for clarification. If a response contains that clarification, I thank the poster.

Once again, nothing is proven, only opinion has been posted.

Perhaps it is relevant that judgement be left to the Creator. I am not equipped to pass judgement.

When someone finally wakes up and realizes the world is more complex than they currently imagine, it will be a true epihany. And, it happens, sooner or later.

My original response was a bit too severe, and rethinking it, I did not want to accused of being "judgemental". Mul, You are welcome to your opinions, even when you post them as fact and then show umbrage when someone disagrees.

Steps to "successful" posting:

1. Post something totally controversial

2. Attack anyone that questions your conclusions

3. Show indignation and claim the high moral ground

4. Label those who disagree

5. Do not address the questions of others directly or ignore them altogether if they are inconvenienty pointed or relevant

6. Repeat as necessary

Whether Murtha is nuts or not, he has the same right to express his views as we do. The difference is he has a much larger audience, and our opinions are a poor subsitute for his lifetime of experience.

Ask yourself: Have you been able to change anyone's mind on anything of relevance posted here? If not?t, Why not?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by 914GT
Anybody with at least half a brain can see Murtha is a nut, from his public statements. Anyone defending that senile scumbag belongs with the other losers on the lefty blogs, where Murtha is put up on a pedestal.

I don' t know John Murtha's positions on anything else, and it's unlikly that I'd vote for him if I lived in his district, I don't vote for Republicans or Democrats; however, it's clear from any honest appraisal of the invasion and attempted occupation of Iraq that it was illegal, and that the Haditha Massacre was perpetrated by the US Marine Corps. That cannot be disputed. Since, to my knowledge, Murtha hasn't named individual Marines so far, you cannot say legitimately that he has prejudged anyone. I should point out, that a number of Marine Corps officers have been relieved of their respective commands as a result of this investigation, indicating at least lack of command judgement on their part, or scapegoating from above, or both.

Need I also add that many of the incriminating photographs taken at Haditha were taken by another Marine unit that came upon the scene after the Massacre?
And that unit's personnel are testifying as to what they found? And that it was a crime scene when they arrived?

[914GT]

You believe the BS hook, line and sinker don't you? Tell us your sources for all this 'factual' information.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by 914GT
You believe the BS hook, line and sinker don't you? Tell us your sources for all this 'factual' information.

I've posted sources for you repeatedly on this issue, I'll not repeat myself again.