Wmd
 

So.....I'm a bit confused here....I need some neo-con help.

This week, when North Korea launchs a three stage ballistic missle that can reach the US with a nuke on board.....isn't that a Weapon of Mass Destruction?

Funny, I don't seem to recall any advanced three stage ballistic missiles being found in Iraq. Plenty of camel ***** and Sadams gold toilets, but nope, no intercontinetal missle silos.

Sickening.

So mull, how do you feel knowing Kim Jong Dong can nuke your a$$, and that the dim wit you have so ardently supported has done nothing to protect you and your family? Must fell bad having a mad man with the cross hairs drawn squarely on you, and know your president has sold you out.

I guess 'nothing' is not quite accurate. Condi did make her frowny face and say all sorts of stern things on TV.

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Please....like you lefties would be on board if we invaded N. Korea as opposed to a state sponsor of terrorism who had links to al qaeda...Man you people are a pain in the rear, more like a cancerous hemorrhoid or polyp requiring multiple colonoscopies without sedation.

How do you know Kim Jong Irr aint being handled behind the scenes?...Should Bush go running out to inform the hostile media, should he go tell the back-stabbing Democrats of his plans with North Korea?

Harddrive, sometimes you impress me with your objectivity, and then you slink back into your liberal bullcrap, in-the-box thinking, that disallows you from apprehending logically or rationally.

N. Korea is more believable as a terrorist state than Iraq ever was.

To worsen matters, haven't we pulled some U.S. troops out of S. Korea to fortify the U.S. efforts in Iraq?

Really?...You have some links, linking Kim Jong Irr to al qaeda?...You people are tactical morons, useful idiots at best.

I have a brilliant idea, Bush should share all of the behind-the scene strategerizing with the media and the backstabbing Democrats, so the lefty armchair naysayers can disclaim and impugn his designs (no matter if they are for the good of America or not, it does not matter), all the while informing our enemies of our plans so they can thwart them.

Yes, and meanwhile, I think you just completed a...yes...yes...a run-on sentence.

Obviously you didn't go to Harvard, Notre Dame or Georgetown, where they teach grammar, even to the Rightfully persuaded.

They teach grammar at Stanford as well, my friend, me thinks.

;)

I am lazy, which accounts for a majority of my scribblings here at Pelican Parts...I am lucky to get anything out cohesive.

Yes, it is difficult, at times, to be the Faulkner of the board. :D

No need for name calling buddy...Faulk me?...Faulk you!!!

:D

LOL!

Re: Wmd
 

As much as I am not a fan of Bush, he has done *something* to mitigate this threat. It's called Ground-Based Mid-course Defense (or GMD). We currently have about 10 or 11 missiles in silos ready to intercept (in theory) anything that N Korea tries to lob our way.

I worked on the program for a couple of years and a large portion of the work is done here at my facility...

Mike

Not sure what the range on the missile is, but the news says it is "possible" for it to reach "US Soil". That likely means Hawaii or Alaska, otherwise they would have said "likely to reach mainland US".

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Range of missile off of Google:

The Taep'o-dong-2 (TD-2) is said to be a two or three stage missile with a range estimated at approximately 3,650-3,750 km with a 700-1,000 kg payload. Other sources credit the TD-2/NKSL-X-2** with a range in excess of 4,000-4,300 km. North Korea has given various names to the Taep'o-dong missile, such as No-dong-3, Hwasong (Mars)-2 and Moksong (Jupiter)-2.

I also saw a news article which said they suspect the new missile might have a range of up to 10,000 km.


Anyone know the distance from N Korea to mainland US?

Found it:

9033 KM from Seoul, South Korea to San Francisco. Couldn't get the website to pull up a North Korean city, wouldn't recognize Pyongyang for some reason.

From what I heard on an interview this morning we could take out the launch site with a cruise missile from a ship offshore at anytime. Of course that would piss off the left. The left would say the US is starting a war. They would rather have them attack us first and then go to war to clean up the mess. But wait, isn't that what happened with 9-1-1? The previous President didn't properly address the issue and we're now at war.

North Korea isn't going to launch a missile from their capital. It will be from an island in the northeast, near the Russian border. I actually hope they do it. It would be the kick in the a$s the South needs to start realizing NK is a real danger and not some misunderstood, wayward neighbor. The younger generation there has no memory of the Korean War and views the US as the aggressor. The US is all that keeps them from being slaves in labor camps, serving the Kim Dynasty.

Testing the missile will also make Japan get serious about becoming a military player again, which I think would be good for stability there. It would keep China and NK in check.

It really doesn't matter whether we have 37,000 or 300 troops in South Korea. They are nothing more than a tripwire force to deter the North and reassure the South. If the North were to launch an invasion of the South, they'd make short work of our troops there, but would ensure a full retaliation. I read somewhere that NK would be able to lob something like 50,000 artillery shells PER HOUR on the South in the opening days of a conflict there. Seoul has about the same population of NYC and would be totally exterminated. With that kind of collateral, I'd say we don't have the freedom to deal with the North the way we did with Iraq.

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Re: Re: Wmd
 

Seems like the Republicans, most specifically Reagan, were right all along...Seems the forward thinking Republicans have proven what short-sighted back-stabbers the Democrats have been, not only in the present but in the past as well.

Does anyone else remember what ridicule Reagan and Republicans got for SDI? and similar programs?...Star Wars?...Ray-Gun?...Fuk Democrats.

Which is the greater threat, Iran or N. Korea?

The only flaw in your logic is that we were attacked by one entity and started a war against a different one. I don't think Iraq flew any planes into the WTC...

Mike

I think NK is. Israel can keep Iran in check. Only we can do that with NK. That country produces nothing but counterfeit US dollars, methamphetamine and missiles. It is one big concentration camp, bent on extorting concessions from the US, SK and Japan.

Whether they did or didn't, we will never know...Did Saddam want to?...Sure...Was Saddam capable of getting chemical or biological weapons into the hands of terrorists like Osama?...Of course, no doubt, you would be an absolute fool to think otherwise.

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/107270.jpg

Well, that's not quite the only flaw. Clinton actually ordered the CIA to eliminate al Quaeda and dropped missiles on Osama. GWB did nothing.

I don't know how Saddam could have given WMD's to Osama when he didn't have any WMD's to give...

weren't the 911 hijackers from Saudi Arabia. Why didnt the US invade "them"?

Like the August '01 presidential daily briefing that said Al Qaeda determined to strike inside the US. This briefing was totally ignored by GWB.

The consensus from the leading investigators into WMD, Saddam had plans of evolving his WMD programs and arming nook-u-lur-ly...The question is not if Saddam had WMD, the question is "what did he do with them?"...This uncomfortable question doesn't get much play by the dominant news "makers" as it diminishes their manipulative perception manufacturing.

That was a CYA memo, nothing more...Clinton dropped the ball on terrorism, of this there is no doubt...Why else was Sandy Berger shoving documents in his socks and pants?...Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

If Clinton was concerned with al qaeda then we never would have bombed Serbia....Clinton would have apprehended Osama when he had the chance...Clinton would have spent his final moments dealing with it, as opposed to frantically selling pardons to terrorists, drug dealers and corporate cronies.

They were in staging in Afghanistan, with operational ties to Saddam's Iraq.

911 hijackers had operational ties to Saddam's Iraq? how can you prove that?

"Tell a lie often enough, and with enough conviction and it ultimately becomes the truth".

Joseph Goebbels

I don't recall an invasion of Saudi Arabia, any one else see that or remember it? Of course, there's no legal method by which an invasion of Korea could be accomplished, as if the Bush'ists are concerned with the law. Naturally, Korea's big friend, China, being right next door is a show stopper and a half, too, just like for all bully boys, Bush won't mess with Korea "'cause they gots frienz".

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Man you people are a pain in the rear, more like a cancerous hemorrhoid or polyp requiring multiple colonoscopies without sedation.

Since you're a fascist, which is a type of leftist, how are you segregating yourself from the other leftists? That you favor one war over another one?

How do you know Kim Jong Irr aint being handled behind the scenes?...Should Bush go running out to inform the hostile media, should he go tell the back-stabbing Democrats of his plans with North Korea?

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Harddrive, sometimes you impress me with your objectivity, and then you slink back into your liberal bullcrap, in-the-box thinking, that disallows you from apprehending logically or rationally.

Says the young man up to his neck in fascist dung.

"Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm

Main Entry: pro·jec·tion
Pronunciation: pr&-'jek-sh&n
Function: noun
6 a : the act of perceiving a mental object as spatially and sensibly objective; also : something so perceived b : the attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety.

Wayne for President!

The same reason we didn't invade Austria when Hitler (an Austrian) declared war on the US.

Did we have economic ties to Austria? Economic ties is one reason (among others) for not invading SA, even if the terrorists were from there. In fact, Osama is Saudi.

Wrong. Bin Laden was stripped of his Saudi citizenship long before 9/11.

And his assets? Were those taken too? I mean, really, being stripped of his citizenship didn't slow him down.

What does that have to do with anything? Bin Laden was not acting on behalf of a state. Yes, he had Afghanistan's tacit approval, but he wasn't acting on behalf of Sudan when the embassies were bombed in Kenya and Tanzania. I think it's safe to say most Americans have serious problems with our relationship with the Saudis. But we'd much bigger problems if their government were an enemy. And bin Laden is not a reason to make an enemy of them. THey hate him as much as we do. Jordan is a close ally and Zarqawi was Jordanian.

Please! That's a lame explanation for Saudi Arabia being a terrorist state that had a hand, whether indirect or direct in 9/11. They may loathe bin Laden only because of the attention to them that he drew. But they loathe us for our support of Israel, yet smile in our faces when they provide us crude.

Americans are correct to have a problem with Saudi Arabia. Their oil money, which we've in part provided them, has instilled countless acts of terrorism.

All along we should have invaded and taken over that country, not Iraq.

So again, if you at all know the answer: Did the Saudis make any attempt to freeze bin Laden's reported billions of dollars?

I have no idea where UBL's money is stored, so I certainly don't know what attempts the Saudi gov't. made to freeze his assets. I know UBL's family also disowned him, so I doubt he has much access to their money.