Not Enough Violence

[Superman]

Looks like there still is not enough violence in Iraq. Soldiers are being kidnapped and executed. I guess this means we have not yet pummeled the terrorists sufficiently. That's our policy, right?

Im starting to really understand this "administration." I guess I was thinking too hard.

[Joeaksa]

Well if it makes you feel any better, after seeing and hearing what happened to our two soldiers last week, you can bet that with our soldiers in the war on terror that "the gloves are being taken off" and revenge will be theirs in the end.

We will still go by the rules but there are no "grey areas" any longer. The terrorists moved it up a notch and we will respond in kind.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Well if it makes you feel any better, after seeing and hearing what happened to our two soldiers last week, you can bet that with our soldiers in the war on terror that "the gloves are being taken off" and revenge will be theirs in the end.

We will still go by the rules but there are no "grey areas" any longer. The terrorists moved it up a notch and we will respond in kind.

No, they were responding to the multiple "beheadings" accomplished by the US government. The revenge was their's.

[Moneyguy1]

What bothers me is the potential of more alleged incidences like Hidatha. Just "human nature" to want "revenge".

Please note..I used the word alleged. So keep you vitriol to yourselves, please (you know to whom I address this)

[coloradoporsche]

Well if it makes you feel any better, after seeing and hearing what happened to our two soldiers last week, you can bet that with our soldiers in the war on terror that "the gloves are being taken off" and revenge will be theirs in the end.

Yep, I'm sure it's going to be smooth sailing from here on out. Once we really start killing enough bad guys there will only be good American-loving people in the Middle East.

Just a matter of time before that big parade in the streets of Baghdad to celebrate our troops.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by DavidI
Why are we doing the same?

David

because our "leaders" have no personal stake in this...other than financial and their egos ("we want to free the world...").

And solving problems at home is hard. Sending young men and women off to die in battle evidently is easier for them.

Reinstitute the draft, with the children of politicians being the first to go. No deferments. No "national guard at home" assignments. That might make them think before they start wanting to pee on someone else's bush...I mean spread democracy.

[Moneyguy1]

Nostatic for president!!!!

Seriously...the only one that was a member of the insiders with any real military experience was "let go", leaving the armchair "experts" to play soldier without any interference.

Will someone PLEASE tell them this ain't a video game?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
No, they were responding to the multiple "beheadings" accomplished by the US government. The revenge was their's.

Leave it to Patsy to side with the enemy and the butchers of Iraq.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Superman
Looks like there still is not enough violence in Iraq. Soldiers are being kidnapped and executed.

Why do you lefties love dancing on the graves of the dead? From Paul Wellstone, to Coretta Scott King, and now our soldiers...Anything for the agenda I suppose.

[Jeff Higgins]

David is right. It's time to do one of two things, both of which require more courage than we can muster. Either choice is driven by the realization that we cannot help those people because they do not want our help. The ones that claim they do only want it to gain the upper hand over their traditional foes, and they are willing to suck up to us and pretend to be nice long enough to get that help and entrench themselve in power. These people are no more than animals, absolutely lacking in everything that defines "civilization" on a social level. They are barbarians. Always have been, always will be.

So the choices are to either nuke the entire area into a glass punchbowl or to simply leave. I vote for the latter. We have done our best to help. Many, too many, fine brave young Americans have paid dearly in an effort to help. These people have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt they are beyond help. Let's get ourselves out of their crosshairs and let them go back to killing each other. As long as they keep it to themselves, fine. We'll stay out of it. Next time they try their ***** here, we start crossing whole cities off the list, a couple hundred megatons at a time.

[speeder]

As horrible as what happened to those troops was, (and all of the other senseless deaths and injuries in Iraq), it has all been fairly predictable from the standpoint of invading that country w/o good reason or a good plan of what to do once we were there.

History is going to be absolutely brutal to the architects of this foreign policy and the (non) planners of this "war". It will turn out to be one of the stupidest moves and worst miscalculations ever made by any country, and I include backwards African nations run by delusional popcorn pimp despots in that *any*.

I was 100% opposed to invading Iraq even if he had some WMDs, I mean what country in the world doesn't have a barrel or two of poison laying around and a missile or three? Apparently Iraq did not. We invaded the only country in the world w/ nothing but rifles and explosives, and they had lots of those.

I was also opposed to invading even if things were predicted to go well, which they were by administration mouthpieces. Hell, I figured that the USA w/ the best military in the world had all of the eventualities covered for invading and occupying a ME country that all of the shot-callers at the time had been wanting to and planning for invading for years. (Before 9/11/01 gave them the false pretense). But no, it very quickly became apparent that they had NO plan whatsoever when we lost control of the country within days of entering and that POS Rumsfeld declared that "freedom is messy", or some other such horseschit. Yeah, it sure is messy. And lawless. Three years after the invasion.

As much as the administration continues to try to polish the turd that is their foreign policy accomplishments, and claim that "liberals" do not have the backbone to support their failed policies, a memory sticks in my mind from the spring of '03 when war supporters were saying that we could not wait for the weapons inspectors to finish their work because if we delayed invading any longer, our troops would be there fighting in the oppressive summer heat. It had to be done in March. Anyone else remember this when the administration dead-enders on this board claim that all is going normally in Iraq??

[speeder]

And we have absolutely no right to kill one single civilian in Iraq, much less nuke them. Might as well nuke Florida, it makes about as much sense in terms of moral justification.

[RoninLB]

The gangsters are playing politics again. This time it's to create discontent between our military and Iraq's population in general. To make soldiers fear all.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by RoninLB
The gangsters are playing politics again. This time it's to create discontent between our military and Iraq's population in general. To make soldiers fear all.

Since the US governemnt in Iraq is no better than a well armed common street gang, them being afraid of the consequences of their being in someone else's country is a positive thing.

US government out of Iraq, NOW!

[Tobra]

The problem is that the American public is not involved in this enough. Need to institute a mandatory 2 year service after HS, peace corp for the peaceniks, armed forces for others. If people had more invested in their country, thye would probably take a bit more interest.

Oh, BTW, it is not just soldiers getting kidnapped, tortured and killed, it is a lot of Shiites too. You all need to watch the news with a more jaundiced eye, think about what is being reported and why. Fair amount of the stuff you hear is not true, or has been tilted one direction or another, left or less left

[Superman]

Originally posted by DavidI
I feel so sorry for those two soldiers who were tortured and murdered. We either need to nuke the lot or get the hell out. I cannot stand that our great young men and women are losing their lives at the hands of these terrorist beasts. Let them live like the animals that they are. We should focus those efforts and money on bettering our population.

I would like to see higher education or trade schools either fully paid or subsidized with the money wasted in Iraq. With all of our efforts to gain control of the oil market, gasoline is more expensive than ever.

We need to celebrate our soldiers and refocus our efforts. Now the government is focusing on Korea. Every powerful country who maintained multiple battlefronts was defeated. Why are we doing the same?

David

Wow. I mean, "wow!" I am the dang liberal here who thinks government is a good thing and several other idiotic ideas.; On the other hand, I also have a tremendous appreciation and respect for the military and for the Marines. Lots of respect here, and gratitide. But I don't expect to see this kind of remark very often from conservatives. Nice to see. Yes, we should focus on social stuff and invest our money in our own people and social needs. Education absolutely heads that list. The current "administration" hasn't a clue about either foreign relations or military strategy. None.

Very excellent description, David. Frankly, this divisiveness is making me sicker and sicker. We are Americans. You are, clearly. I stand with you.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Well if it makes you feel any better, after seeing and hearing what happened to our two soldiers last week, you can bet that with our soldiers in the war on terror that "the gloves are being taken off" and revenge will be theirs in the end.

We will still go by the rules but there are no "grey areas" any longer. The terrorists moved it up a notch and we will respond in kind.

Exactly my point (he says, facetiously). We just need to really take the gloves off and clobber some people with greater ruthlessness. In this way, we will scare the terrorists into not hating us any more.

This plan is exceedingly simple. I had been thinking too much. It's not a thinking matter. It's a bullying matter. Bullying works.

Right? I mean, it's worked very well so far. It's just that we have not been sufficiently brutal.

Right, Joe? When we "take the gloves off" and "move it up a notch," the terrorists will see that they have been out-brutalized and they will stop their violence because their fear of us will outstrip their violent imaginations and hatred.

Right?

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Tobra
The problem is that the American public is not involved in this enough. Need to institute a mandatory 2 year service after HS, peace corp for the peaceniks, armed forces for others. If people had more invested in their country, thye would probably take a bit more interest.

I like this idea.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Superman
Wow. I mean, "wow!" I am the dang liberal here who thinks government is a good thing and several other idiotic ideas.; On the other hand, I also have a tremendous appreciation and respect for the military and for the Marines. Lots of respect here, and gratitide. But I don't expect to see this kind of remark very often from conservatives. Nice to see. Yes, we should focus on social stuff and invest our money in our own people and social needs. Education absolutely heads that list. The current "administration" hasn't a clue about either foreign relations or military strategy. None.

Very excellent description, David. Frankly, this divisiveness is making me sicker and sicker. We are Americans. You are, clearly. I stand with you.

It's not "our money", it is money taken at gunpoint from individuals. It needs to be returned to those individuals. They will know best what to do with it.

You're merely advocating one half of the welfare/warfare state; you can't have one without the other.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by widebody911
I like this idea.

Mandatory service, even for one second, is prohibited by the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution.