so they're evil...what do we do?

[1967 R50/2]

My personal opinion:

Isolation won't work. We've kept Castro isolated for 50 years and he still is thumbing his nose at the US, long after the death of real communism. If we dropped the embargo, I'd give it about a year before El Presidente "retired" to a seaside villa and Havana became Las Vegas South.

The biggest weapon we have is CULTURE....Hollywood, Free trade, Capitalism, rap music, Jessica Simpson, Coca-Cola and a pack of Marlboros....all of it. The good, the bad and the ugly. The whole shebang. We export it to the rest of the world and they seem pretty pleased, even if they don't always admit it.

Get them hooked, and they will soon forget about this "Jihad" crap and get down to making money.

[914GT]

Originally posted by svandamme
dang , i think i just got booted of the dutch porsche forum , something about me beeing rude or something.

Yeah, you don't need them. You fit right in with the rest of us over here.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by 1967 R50/2

The biggest weapon we have is CULTURE....Hollywood, Free trade, Capitalism, rap music and Jessica Simpson ....all of it. The good, the bad and the ugly. The whole shebang. Get them hooked, and they will soon forget about this "Jihad" crap and get down to making money.

yep
and that one for sure is a weapon of mass destruction...
especially the Rap music Simpson combination.. that's like a double whammy... if i had to choose between no other music for the rest of my life, but the current rap& J Simpson... or Zyklon B , seriously , i'de go for the ZB..at least it's quick...

[svandamme]

Originally posted by 914GT
Yeah, you don't need them. You fit right in with the rest of us over here.

i think i've been well adjusted to PP OT
there should be a wall of honour of some sort
with prizes

the most radical phylosofy
the most unbelievable liar
the rudest dingbat
the most useless posts
most likely to end up in prison

etc etc

i mean , everybody can be a winner in some category... right?

[1967 R50/2]

[FrayAdjacent911]

Originally posted by IROC
Here's a random thought. I say we listen to them, try to really understand what their issues are and help them resolve those issues. I am not convinced that their "terrorism" is a rooted in their religious ideology. I think it is economically driven and driven by the fact that the US evidently feels the need to convert the world to it's way of thinking (PNAC).

I think that if the United States spent just a small portion of the money we spent on defense and military actions on trying to help these people out somewhat, we would see larger dividends paid in the "war on terror".

I have probably just branded myself as a naive idiot, but that's OK. I have no religious ideology of my own, so I don't see this as an "us vs them" kinda thing.

Mike

IMHO, that would be trying to 'understand' why fireants bite.

They bite, and that's that.

Now, I won't disparage a WHOLE religion. There ARE muslims who are pissed at terrorists and their inhuman actions.

... so, this is not a 'kill them all' situation. I'm ALL FOR killing ALL terrorists, and those that endorse, train, lead, and plan their violence... but not in a way that would harm innocent people.

It's just a touchy, tricky, one-size-does-NOT-fit-all situation.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by singpilot
Don't get me started.

It sounds bad, but the only solution is not-politically-correct.

Agree. Funny thing is that both Michael and I have lived in a Muslim country. Too bad neither of us know anything on the subject I guess ...

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by FrayAdjacent911
IMHO, that would be trying to 'understand' why fireants bite.

They bite, and that's that.

If the Democrat think-tanks thought they could damage Bush and regain power by blaming fireant bites on Bush and Republicans, they would...These are the people that tried to blame global warming on GW Bush, suggesting his environmenal policies led to Katrina.

[svandamme]

aah Mull, there's definately an award for you on the OT wall of honour i proposed

[Mulhollanddose]

Attention whore?

[svandamme]

that too

[svandamme]

lol, it's official, been banned from the porscheforum in holland

moderator had been cutting creatively in my posts, for not other reason then aesthetics and i called him out for it... wouldn't give me an answer,
started a power trip of " because i said so " so after a few comments back and forth i called him a NSB'er ( basically a nazi collaborator, they are VERY touchy feely about that here consindering the dutch are the only nation that had 100 000 + collaborations effectively putting folks on the train to Poland )... fine really , i had been bored on their forum for weeks , something about elitist Porsche snobism that doesn't work for me ... you gotta like the "or if" message " you're to rude and ignant to own a Porsche you should be more like the brand and be a good sport apologize now or i shall ban you " ..

should have sent em this one



to late now , banned... i blame myself for not thinking about the pic when i had the chance, mea culpa, mea culpa , mea maxima culpa...

[M.D. Holloway]

In the ol days we would have delt wit dem accordingly, now the cats outa da bag an you have to pretend to care and be nice.

Hit them with some good ol fashion marketing of America. People tend to get all religious when times are tough. Best why to deal with these are to get them fat and saucy. They should do that the the prisoners. Those guys have had ***** forever, GitMo is a vacation. I say really butter them up. Git'n some cheap hos and plenty of fat beef to naw on. Milkshake and Jerry Springer their arses in leather LazyBoys till they all weigh 300+lbs, send them back home. They spread the word that America is the place.

In the mean time, close off the boaders and have them beg for a peice. We set up lil Americas in a few cities and before you know it, those Islamic temples will be strip clubs and Starbucks! Problemo Solvedo!

[Superman]

Originally posted by FrayAdjacent911
IMHO, that would be trying to 'understand' why fireants bite.

They bite, and that's that.

This entire discussion is useless, according to many. It seeks to understand the cause and source of this problem. That is not necessary. This whole thing is exceedingly simple and I can verify that evaluating the rationale behind an "administration" policy is indeed useless.

We don't care where this problem comes from. We wouldn't act on that information if we had it. We've already got the solution, and it completely disregards any and all analytical intelligence.

We're going to bomb them. And we're going to shoot them. Until they are happy. Or at least until they stop hating us. Or perhaps until they are too frightened to fight back.

that's our brilliant plan. And obviously.......it's working beautifully.

[scottmandue]

I still like my idea best.

Our current strategy is like killing ants with a sledgehammer.

Why not target the leaders and start picking them off?

Eventually I would think that would take the wind out of their sails.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by scottmandue
I still like my idea best.

Our current strategy is like killing ants with a sledgehammer.

Why not target the leaders and start picking them off?

Eventually I would think that would take the wind out of their sails.

Do it the easy way. Pay the Mossad $1 mil a head. Start with the top and go down.

Considering what we have spent in the past three years in the ME with this situation it would be a bargain...

[Seahawk]

"They" are not evil, although it is often difficult to think otherwise: read, "Tribes Without Flags"... or read Kippling or Churchills, "History of the World".

The more things change. The reason radical Muslims in the Middle East have a world stage is rooted in oil, both from a strategic standpoint and the power of deep pockets to fund their unique brand of terror.

Options include:

1. Dampen the world's thirst for oil. Not likely. China's emergent middle class wants exactly what you and I want: oil. The immutable law of supply and demand (not just China) apply and is clearly out of our sphere of influence.

2. Dampen OUR (US) thirst for oil. Possible, but not likely. The confluence of non-existent political will (expressed as policy), wasteful counsumer habits and our frightening lack of mass transit infrastructure is daunting.

3. Increase domestic supply of oil...or at least Notrh American oil supply through new exploration or drilling known reserves . NIMBY uber ales...see political will. We'll see new drilling of proven reserves when:



4. Alternative fuels, energy or mass transit infrastruture.. We have no coherent plan that either the private sector of our stallwart pols can agree on. France is a leader in atomic power, we're...DC Metro?

5. Walk from the ME. Yes we can, but we should be mindfull of the repercussions.

Who cares if Castro thumbs his nose at us, unless he finds oil.

[IROC]

Originally posted by Superman
We're going to bomb them. And we're going to shoot them. Until they are happy. Or at least until they stop hating us. Or perhaps until they are too frightened to fight back.

In my naive fire ant way, this is kinda what I was after. Our philosophy of "the bombings will continue until morale improves" isn't going to work. I deeply believe that to be true.

I think it would be easier to win over the hearts and minds of the moderate Muslims and defuse the tensions that spark the radical extremists. At least it might turn the tide of popular opinion against them. I realize it sounds all touchy-feely, but I don't mean it that way.

The current mentality of "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" isn't working. I think we should mind our own business to a great extent, but still carry a big stick. And use it when necessary. Like on the Taliban post 9/11. That was the right thing to do. Iraq has been a colossal waste of time and has only served as the recruitment poster for the Islamic extremists.

Mike

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by svandamme
lol, it's official, been banned from the porscheforum in holland

moderator had been cutting creatively in my posts, for not other reason then aesthetics and i called him out for it... wouldn't give me an answer,
started a power trip of " because i said so " so after a few comments back and forth i called him a NSB'er ( basically a nazi collaborator, they are VERY touchy feely about that here consindering the dutch are the only nation that had 100 000 + collaborations effectively putting folks on the train to Poland )... fine really , i had been bored on their forum for weeks , something about elitist Porsche snobism that doesn't work for me ... you gotta like the "or if" message " you're to rude and ignant to own a Porsche you should be more like the brand and be a good sport apologize now or i shall ban you " ..

should have sent em this one

[to late now , banned... i blame myself for not thinking about the pic when i had the chance, mea culpa, mea culpa , mea maxima culpa...

Hell, you should be proud! I wasn't good enough to be banned from the S registry board, so I logged off. I also resigned from R Gruppe. Personal reasons. But I did get tired of "rules" and being told there were "No exx-ceptions". (The spelling is not mine in the quoted word).

(edit) On the terrorist question? "Do unto others as they do to you." Screw this turn the other cheek crap!

[RoninLB]

Terrorism backfired when they bombed Saudi Arabia, etc. There is ongoing tension on whether to support them or not. Saudi Arabia doesn't as well as other old friends anymore. Remapping takes time in these situations.

The penalty for terrorism must exceed the carnage inflicted. If a successful terrorist was sentenced to death as well as his whole family there would be less terrorists available.