so they're evil...what do we do?

[nostatic]

Let's accept the premise that the lionshare of terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims. Let's ignore the cause and effect arguments for a moment, and just work with that since it seems to be a major point being made by many here.

So what are you going to do about it? Do you exclude people from this country based on their religion? Based on their skin color and heritage? Or do we scour the globe and exterminate them based on these criteria? Or ?

[singpilot]

Don't get me started.

It sounds bad, but the only solution is not-politically-correct.

[IROC]

Here's a random thought. I say we listen to them, try to really understand what their issues are and help them resolve those issues. I am not convinced that their "terrorism" is a rooted in their religious ideology. I think it is economically driven and driven by the fact that the US evidently feels the need to convert the world to it's way of thinking (PNAC).

I think that if the United States spent just a small portion of the money we spent on defense and military actions on trying to help these people out somewhat, we would see larger dividends paid in the "war on terror".

I have probably just branded myself as a naive idiot, but that's OK. I have no religious ideology of my own, so I don't see this as an "us vs them" kinda thing.

Mike

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by singpilot
Don't get me started.

It sounds bad, but the only solution is not-politically-correct.

Ooooh, bop bop bop
Ooooh, bop bop bop

They took all the trees, and put em in a tree museum
And they charged the people a dollar and a half to see them
No, no, no
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot




I kid I kid

[Nathans_Dad]

Interesting question.

How did we handle it when the Nazis were in power and exterminating Jews?

Did we say "Hey wait a sec...let's all sit down and think about WHY the Nazis want to exterminate the Jews and rule Europe"??

[914GT]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Interesting question.

How did we handle it when the Nazis were in power and exterminating Jews?

Did we say "Hey wait a sec...let's all sit down and think about WHY the Nazis want to exterminate the Jews and rule Europe"??

If the liberals of today had their way back then, that's exactly what would have happened. Joseph Kennedy was the type to think that way - an early liberal who supported Chamberlain's policy of appeasement.

[Moses]

Two choices really.

1) Relative isolationism. Withdraw militarily and politically. We will continue to be a target if our financial support of Israel continues, but perhaps to a lesser degree if we withdraw.

2) Conduct an "old fashioned" war. Seize the country and it's goverment and all the assets including the oil fields. Claim them as spoils of war and prepare to defend our new territory.

Neither choice seems too appealing...

[Moses]

My previously posted anti-terrorism plan;

Let me start by saying I am not in favor of the military excursion in Iraq. Nor am I a lefty apologist who thinks America is responsible for most what's wrong in the world. We are still a superpower, and everywhere we go leaves a bigger footprint.

Here's how I see it; The Mullahs and Imams and Saddams have one thing in common. They cling to power with the tenacity of a pit bull. To keep power, they imprison and murder the political opposition, even relatives. Some are religious hardliners, some are secular power brokers. They may not fear death, but loss of power is unthinkable.

Why not announce to the world that we intend to establish a covert-ops superfund. Tell the third world that we intend to infiltrate every level of government, buying and stealing secrets in an attempt to thwart terrorism. If our clandestine research reveals credible evidence that your nation has knowingly supported, harbored or sheltered terrorist organizations, you will be removed from power. There will be no invading army or occupying force. No attempt at nation building. Your leaders will simply disappear. Perhaps in the middle of the night at the hands of a team of specialists, perhaps in a single blinding flash of a cruise missle as your government assembles. Whatever new leaders arise to fill the leadership vacuum of your departure is of no consequence to us. We will deliver to them the same message you just received; we will not abide the sanctioning of terrorists.

Perhaps with the proper "motivation" the Saudi royal family and the Mullahs and Imams might actually police themselves.

Just a thought.

[svandamme]

put em on a steady diet of lsd and porc meat...


somebody gimme an award , coz you know i cracked the case with total efficiency...

[914GT]

Originally posted by Moses
Two choices really.

1) Relative isolationism. Withdraw militarily and politically. We will continue to be a target if our financial support of Israel continues, but perhaps to a lesser degree if we withdraw.

2) Conduct an "old fashioned" war. Seize the country and it's goverment and all the assets including the oil fields. Claim them as spoils of war and prepare to defend our new territory.

Neither choice seems too appealing...

And neither will work. The only path is to continue being aggressive rooting out the terrorist-minded segment of islam world-wide. Europe, and the US, needs to clamp down on immigration from islamic countries until they get their act together and can be trusted. Final establishment of self-sufficient free democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan will greatly stabilize that region of the world. Indonesia, India and other southeast Asian countries also need a major housecleaning of extremists, and not be letting mass-murderers go after a short prison sentence.

[914GT]

Latest 'religion of peace' video out today.

Hamas: Islam will conquer US and Britain

[Burnin' oil]

Take all their money - don't buy ME oil

[svandamme]

LOL

[lendaddy]

Do everything we can to fuel the spread of Democracy and Capitalism, including overthrowing despots and tyrants and returning countries to their people...and engaging them in world commerce.

If only we had a leader with the balls to try something like that....well hell we might even avoid the upcoming religious world war altogether! One can dream...

[artplumber]

The only thing that will work is if somehow the "moderate" muslims decide to kick the @ss of their own extremists. Otherwise, the conflict will always be framed as the infidels vs the holy ones (who are willing to die, etc, etc).

Often times, one hears that the reason for the successes of these types of ideologies comes from the basis of economic inequities. (It certainly was the genesis of the Nazi approach to the Jewish citizens of europe as well - those evil Jews have all the money, let's confiscate it and kill the "lower race" which is polluting our country.) In the case of the Muslim terrorist, this underlying economic issue is then twisted and melded into a religious conflict where gullible members are encouraged to become martyrs (helps that no one has shown up saying there really are not 100 virgins in the next 9 heavens).

So, who wants to give the terrorists all yo' money?

[scottmandue]

Originally posted by Moses
My previously posted anti-terrorism plan;


snip


Why not announce to the world that we intend to establish a covert-ops superfund. Tell the third world that we intend to infiltrate every level of government.

I'm down with the covert-ops superfund... how about we then target all the Clerics/religious leaders that advocate Jihad and round them up and drop them on a island somewhere to fight among themselves.

Or how about have some of our special ops guys start popping those leader that are pro Jihad from a thousand yards away... bet the "religion of peace" would become just that in a short time.

[JeremyD]

give them small arms - step back - 5 years later when they have eliminated 80% of the population we go in and either negotiate from a position of strength or we conquer.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by JeremyD
give them small arms - step back - 5 years later when they have eliminated 80% of the population we go in and either negotiate from a position of strength or we conquer.

We tried that with a liquer store and gun shop on every corner of the inner cities and that never really worked out

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by singpilot
Don't get me started.

It sounds bad, but the only solution is not-politically-correct.

There was a thread on a MINI cooper forum similar to this one and it was a couple of years back.

I proposed a VERY politically incorrect solution and recieved a lot of backlash over it.

Believe it or not this exchange occured on an MINI forum. MINI forums are famous for being overly PC and arguments over anything are not tolerated at all.

I want to respectfully disagree with you. An open discussion when done respectfully is always interesting and thought provoking so dont think I am picking an E-fight with you its not my intention.

First - What world do the terrorists want? A world of fear? That is not happening. What is happening is a lot of countries are growing tired and hatefull towards a race of people due to their tolerance of this terrorist lifestyle.

What the terrorists are going to get is the lack of ability to move freely throughout the world. What happens when they are exiled to their own countries and not permitted to travel anywhere else. Wehre the mere sight of a certain race of person incites people to react negatively to them.
This could happen.


I have a disdain towards the nations of the middle east because they have tolerated terrorism within their own borders and have let these factions fester and strengthen.

What happened in the USA when McVeigh & Nichols decided to do a little of their own terrorism and attack the Murrah Federal Building?? The USA put everyhting they had into finding these morons. Then found out who they were affiliated with and took them out with everything they had.

The message sent?

If your a terrorist group in the USA and decide to strike the USA you will be toast!!

What happens when car bombs go off in Middle eastern countries? NOTHING!

The groups resposible even claim resposibility of the bombing and they get to exist to do it again and again. How am I supposed to respect a country that lets this happen without any recourse at all?? Now they are attacking the USA in the USA. They used to attack the US Embassy's in the middle east now because they go unchallanged they attack right here in our backyard.

The damage is done, they're whole existance in the world has turned into a war with the USA. Now its a chess game to them.

I personally am not entirely sure that those musicians were not part of a terrorist cell. What a perfect cover.

I dont trust strangers period. Whether they are white, black, brown, purple, green it doesnt matter soociety in general has degraded. I would never let my boys out of my site when in public no matter what.

My distrust for middle eastern decent people goes beyond that. Is it sad? Yes it is I feel sorry for anyone who is of middle eastern decent. Unfortunatly their nations complacency towards terrorists over the years has done irreversable damage to the image of their region.

[svandamme]

seriously guys, LSD, your CIA did enough testing during MKULTRA to know the facts : give acid to a soldier, and the nett result is : he no longer wants to soldier on...



dang , i think i just got booted of the dutch porsche forum , something about me beeing rude or something... lol good riddance, that chickensj1t outfit was boring me to tears...