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Which Gun to Purchase
With so many fine Antique and Collectable Guns on the Auction Block these days, one has to make choichs as to which one to invest money in.
Below are 2 choichs of recently sold guns...Which one would you put your money into and why A. A Remington UMC 1911 US Property 45 Auto. One of more than 21,500 made in 1919. In nearly mint condition for $13,800.00 http://www.amoskeagauction.com/52/35.html B. A Rigby Percussion Match Rifle in VG condition. With apx 100 made circa 1870. Sold for $18,700.00 AU or $14,585.00. Please scroll down to Lot 576 on the Link provided for a description and picture. http://www.antiquearms.com.au/catalogue_online_6.htm
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Both sound nice. I'd love a nice WWII made 1911, however, I don't think a Remington Rand would command THAT much money.
AFAIK, probably not even a Singer (they made only 200) would command $13k.
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Dang you could buy a nice 25-30 year old Porsche for that kind of money.
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I'd get the 1911, but then again, I'm a pistol guy...
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can I interest you in some nice spoons instead? guns are so loud...
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Rigby, no doubt
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The prices listed above represent what the items SOLD for...not asking, SOLD....
A WW2 Singer 1911 would go for $40,000.00 now....a standard WW2 Remington would be at least $2000.00 A Doug Turnbell RESTORATION of a US Army Colt 1911 vintage WW1 is $3250.... And here is another example of how HOT Antique and Collectable guns are...http://67.155.195.3:8050/FMPro?-db=GMA_Inventory.fp5&-format=inv_detail.html&-lay=web&-RecID=43222&-Find This gun SOLD for $53,000.00 and change....BTW...I saw the Sharps at the Beinfield Gun Show in January...along with OP Slacker... There were four English made Percussion Target Rifles in the AU sale...2 are on their way to the UK and 2 are on their way to the USA... Ironically there is another Rigby Match rifle in much poorer condition up for Auction in NZ..however the NZ one belonged to Lord Elcho, of the famous Elcho Shooting Matches held in the UK... the estimate is 10K NZ to 17K NZ.
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UMC and that is a minty one, they tend to have finish problems.
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I'd go for the 1911, but I never buy guns that I can't or shouldn't shoot.
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Agree with Jordi, the Rigby. Friend of mine is a collector and has one and loves it but then its not something that he shoots very often.
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With the Rigby U could get away with shooting it a bit...as it has a bit of wear on it allready..so one more small ding isn't going to hurt it...and Black Powder is low pressure so all the energy is going straight out the barrel...one would have to give it a good cleaning after shooting though...
With the 1911 the owner has paid for CONDITION and the slightest little nick will hurt its value. I have a couple of duplictes in my collection one to shoot one to collect...but nothing on the level of this stuff...
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I'm with Pat; I don't buy guns I won't shoot. Neither of these pieces are truly worth the selling price; the whole collecting world has long since gone beserk. Speculators have gotten into it that are not even gun enthusiasts. It's simply a currently "hot" market. They will ruin this (many say, and I guess I agree, that they already have) and move on to the next big thing. What a shame.
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Jeffy U have to take into account that the Rigby was NOT SOLD IN THE USA but AU....therefore most of the US Speculators who are driving prices were not participating in the sale... The underbidder on the Rigby happened to be from AU.
The Rigby was sold on a WORLD WIDE market, 2 of the other English Percussion TGT rifles in that sale are on their way to the UK.... U also have to consider that the number of people interested in a Rigby is MUCH SMALLER than for Colts, S&Ws, Winchester and Sharps. This does two things 1. Speculators are not likely to get into such a specialized market 2. Since the Market is so specialized the prices tend to go up more slowly and it is a much more stable market. Monty Whitley (High end Antique gun dealer), THREE YEARS AGO had a Whitworth 1/2 Stock Match Rifle that he wanted $14,000 for I believe he sold that rifle for $12000...he wanted $6000 for a set of CASED SIGHTS for that gun. Cased Guns like the Rigby, Whitworth Gibbs or American Tgt guns generally run about 25K... I just don't have a comparable sale for a Rigby simply because one hasn't been sold recently... However I have to say Collectables of what ever stripe ar HOT right now...apparently across the world...
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NZ Sale of a Rigby Match Rifle
On May 27th another Rigby 1/2 Stock Match Rifle was sold at auction in NZ for $21000.00 NZ.. I don't know if this was the hammer price or if the 10% buyers premium was included.
If it was just the hammer price the price is $14,144.00 US, and if the Buyers Premium was include the price would be $13,298.00 US. Either way one figures it, it seems that a new price level has been established for Rigby Target Rifles...considering the price of $14585.00 US for the Rifle just sold in AU. The rifle in NZ is in much lesser condition than the one sold in AU. The NZ rifles barrel had been resleeved, and is showing 80% of an old reblue. Along with various other dings and dents in the stock. Howver the NZ rifle has "historical importance" in that the rifle belonged to Lord Elcho the founder of the famous English Elcho Shield Match, which are still being held today. So what is the value of "historical importance?" Or doesn't it matter because of the rarity of the rifle.
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A THIRD Rigby Match rifle has shown up for auction, this one is here in the US. This one has the False Muzzle (to aid in loading..keeping the bullet straight) which is numbered to the rifle, has 85% of the orginal blue on the barrel, has a repair at the head of the stock? However the estimate on the rifle is $1500 to $2000.
All the estimates in this auction are LOW with the exception of a couple of SAA Colts...Unbelievable!
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How good is the repair to the stock? If you need a stock guy I know of one who can make most wood issues look like new or better.
Just got back from overseas. Brought back a .54 cal muzzleloader. Not going to say much more about it until I can confirm its history and maker but it sure looks interesting and hope its what I think it is.
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Rigby sounds more exotic, but that's probably just because I know less about it. The 1911 is sort of a "classic" piece I'd expect to see in any serious collector's array. Either will make a very nice collector's piece. For unconventional, I'd lean towards the Rigby; for simple "which one should I get", I'd personally feel more comfortable with the Remmington, but that's only because I'm familiar with it and although the price seems a LITTLE high, I'm more confident I'm not getting hosed for that one. If I researched the Rigbys though I'd probably get over this apprehension.
Must be nice when such decisions are the hardest thing one has to worry about in a day! Wanna' swap places?
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THIRTEENTHOUSANDEIGHTHUNDRED DOLLARS for a 1911....huh...I remember when they were $50.00 (back when I was a kid). Thats a steep price for any 1911.
The Rigby on the other hand was a Handbuilt match rifle built in the late 1860s early 1870s on a very limited production basis...and they have their place in American history as well, they were used by the Irish and Au teams at the Creedmore Matchs in NY.
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I would love to find a Rigby long range match rifle that is both in my price range and that I could shoot. I've shot against guys in mid and long range matches using the newer Parker-Hale match rifles, and they seem to do quite well.
"Historical importance" would be more appealing to me than rarity of any particular piece. This is purely hypothetical anyway, as I don't have the scratch to play in this sandbox anyway. While I have some fine old guns, they are all "shooters" of no historical importance. The only guns intersting to me that I could forsee owning, with no desire to shoot them, would have some sort of historical importances. Garret's Peacemaker used to kill Billy the Kid (reportedly the highest price paid at auction for any firearm ever - any truth to that?). Baker's "Baby", T.R.'s "big medicine", Walker's pair of Walker Dragoons, Billy Dixon's borrowed "Big Fifty", one of Pope's personal rifles; stuff like that. The history certainly makes such guns; everything else I would probably have to shoot. Oh well, that will never be a problem for me...
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