The mess in Mexico.

singpilot · 07-08-2006, 09:43 AM

Geez. One-half percentage point. Election outcome in doubt? No Supreme Court to decide it?

Yeah, call for a 'peaceful protest', and get half a million people to show up in Mexico City.

This should be good.

I meant to ask.... how did all those California resident Mexican citizens that took busses back to Tijuana to vote (provided by the 'right to vote' lobby here in the USA) last week get back into the USA to resume their felonious lives here?

Seems amazing to me.

The press was curiously quiet about this one.

Joeaksa · 07-08-2006, 09:47 AM

I was wondering if they could go to the Mex consulate in LA and vote absentee?

singpilot · 07-08-2006, 09:57 AM

Apparently, there was a 'substancial' (in the hudreds of thousands) absentee vote from the USA. But there was such a prohibitive lead time and documentation process that several months ago the last minute arrangements were made to get additional votes in from here.

I suspect it is why the revote aspect is not being proposed.

singpilot · 07-08-2006, 05:19 PM

Wayne;

Agreed. The part that has not gotten much press here in this country is that there has been a bloodbath type war there for several months from the drug cartels trying to establish new pecking orders prior to the election. The feeling was that the leftist candidate was going to win (more the anti-PRI incumbant party vote than for the actual candidate), and that there would be a while before all the bribes could 'kick in' with the leftist candidate before back to 'business as usual'. Of course, the other candidate did not scare the druggies for some reason...... hmmmmm.

Oracle · 07-09-2006, 08:42 PM

In many ways I'm happy the leftist candidate didn't win. Last thing we want is another friend of Chaves (Venezuela), Castro (Cuba), etc.. next door.
Canada is #1 supplier of Oil to the US, but 2nd and 3rd is Mexico and Venezula. So all in all these are great news to the US.

RoninLB · 07-09-2006, 08:55 PM

This is serious politics. Repercussions could be huge for the US. If this happened during cold war hot times it'd be a Soviet opening in motion.

all this immigration bs is because Mexico is an economic mess. There is no job creation and no opportunity so no matter what US policy becomes it won't matter. On going wide spread monoplies are its gangsters in disguise.

If Fox couldn't make much head way I'm not sure if this newbie righty can?

Oracle · 07-09-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
If Fox couldn't make much head way I'm not sure if this newbie righty can?

This is going to be even tougher cause the newibe is minority in the senate?. What I read in Reuters is that this will be the most difficult precidency in the Mexican history.

So hold on cause this will take NorthAmerica for a good ride!

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

There are around 7% of the ballots still uncounted. Mostly from rural areas.

It's a bit early for anyone to declare victory.

singpilot · 07-10-2006, 06:12 AM

Rural as in rural TiJuana? I suspect a lot of those were bogus. I thought the last recount was the last.

1967 R50/2 · 07-10-2006, 07:20 AM

I tend to think the Hugo Chavez, Evo Moralez thing is way over blown. I was down in Peru back in April when they were having their own run-off election with a leftist candidate.

THe thing that most people don't understand is that although things have gotten much better in South America, 60% of the population is still below the poverty line and there is very little being done in terms of civil projects such as building roads, aqueducts, out into the country side to help them.

The people I talked to regarded Chavez as an overblown, big talking nut-case.

Morales is less a communist than he is a populist. He wants to do what is good for the people at the lower end of the income scale.

Humala in Peru was the same type of candidate. Neither were talking about doing away with democracy or the free market. Humala's main position was to renegotiate the long-term tax free contracts that Fujimora handed out too mining companies. At a time when commodities are flying through the roof, it would take A LOT of justifying to the compensios (peasants) why these companies are paying nothing back into the countries that they are taking so much out of. Of course Humala lost the run-off election, so it is really neither here nor there.

Morales of course is more extreme in that he just nationalized the gas industry outright. Now whether this turns out to be a good move in the long term, is something completely different. Mexico's oil industry basically is nationalized as is anyway, with Pemex being the 800lb gorilla.