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This guy sounds like a typical conspiracy theorist:

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Republican Congressman Ron Paul says President Bush has presided over a doctrine of violating the Constitution at every turn and that he should be impeached - but that likely Democratic efforts to do so will be in the interests of playing politics and not the health of the nation.

During an interview with Alex Jones on the GCN Radio network, Paul outlined the likely scenario as to how impeachment proceedings would unfold.

"I'd be surprised if they win both - I think they're going to win one body and if they win the House right now they do not say they would have an impeachment but I think the way that place operates I think they probably will make every effort," said Paul.

"If they happened to have a ten or fifteen vote margin that would be a political thing - it would be payback time."

Paul said that Bush should be impeached not under the umbrella of partisan vengeance but for ceaselessly breaking the laws of the land.

"I would have trouble arguing that he's been a Constitutional President and once you violate the Constitution and be proven to do that I think these people should be removed from office."

Opining that the US had entered a period of "soft fascism," Paul noted that the legacy of the Bush administration has been the total abandonment of Constitutional principles.

"Congress has generously ignored the Constitution while the President flaunts it, the courts have ignored it and they get in the business of legislating so there's no respect for the rule of law." said Paul.

"When the Presidents signs all these bills and then adds statements after saying I have no intention of following it - he's in a way signing it and vetoing - so in his mind he's vetoing a lot of bills, in our mind under the rule of law he hasn't vetoed a thing."

Asked what the ultimate agenda was behind the American Union and the push on behalf of the Bush administration to homogenize the US with Mexico and Canada, Paul was clear in his response.

"I think the goal is one world government - we have not only the U.N. - we have the WTO, the IMF, the World Bank, then we have all the subsidiaries like NAFTA and hemispheric governments, highways coming in."

"I just hope and pray that we can wake up enough people," said Paul, noting that Texans in his own backyard were more aware of Bush selling out the country for an American Union than anyone in Washington.

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Look up Alex Jones. If this is the company Ron Paul keeps, he's definitely the Zell Miller of his party.

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About time someone said it.

I still can't believe we invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses and the President gets a pass. WTF?

What false pretenses?...Did Bush say Saddam didn't have connections to al qaeda and didn't have a plan on reconstituting his WMD program?

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the president and the weak Congress that gave him a blank check to wage war.

so many people's lives destroyed over the fraud that is the war in Iraq and nobody seems to care. It's business as usual... Impeachment is nowhere near a suitable punishment for this.

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but we're there to bring them democracy. We know what's best for them. We know what's best for everyone.

And it was between Iraq and about 50 other non-democratic countries and Iraq won the coin toss. Who woulda thunk it?

if after all this, you seriously still believe invading Iraq was to protect the American people from WMDs, that one day Saddam would launch a missile into NYC, then you have a serious mental disorder.

Oh, but to reconstitute orange juice, you just add water. WMDs couldn't be any more difficult than that.

:rolleyes:

And making a missile that goes 700 miles go 7,000 miles...? Trivial!

I'm very certain that Saddam was happy when the Towers were bombed. so what? so were about 100 other nations.

what is that poster supposed to prove?

Iraq is the central front on terrorism...That, therefore, is precisely where we should be...Before we entered Iraq the terrorists and their infrastructure was diffuse and diluted. We entered Iraq and we concentrated and focused their efforts...Stroke of brilliance.

:rolleyes:

LOL!

Some boob paints a picture, and that's evidence?

I dunno. I mean the soldier on the right is smiling. Does that mean he's hooked up with al Quaeda, too?

Saddam had connections and a desire to do America harm. It is still inconclusive if Saddam aided in the 9-11 attack on the WTC...It is not every tyrant that had a picture commissioned that would suggest he had a role in the attack...This picture clearly suggests he had a connection or a desire to harm America.

Saddam would have gladly produced and sold biological/chemical weapons to al qaeda.

Saddam's links to terrorists are about a mile long.

I have some more suspects;

* Algeria
* Bahrain
* Egypt
* Iran
* Jordan
* Kuwait
* Lebanon
* Libya
* Morocco
* Oman
* Palestinian Authority
* Qatar
* Saudi Arabia
* Somalia
* Sudan
* Syria
* Tunisia
* United Arab Emirates
* Yemen

Think we might run out of bombs?

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Yep - it's beginning to unravel for Bush - not that it hasn't already. But for a grass roots effort to start against him in his own state, a Republican stronghold at that, does show he's going down in flames.

Fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a bumpy 18 months.

impeach the b#stard

Saddam topped this list. Saddam violated 17 UN resolutions. Saddam's human rights abuses surpass those you offer. Saddam had a working relationship with al qaeda.

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You call nailing the #2 Al qaeda and finding WMD, "unraveling"?

If the media was behind (not with a knife thrusting) Bush the impression would be wholy different.

17?

Here's a partial list of U.N. resolution violations ;


465 (1980) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.

471 (1980) Israel
Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.

484 (1980) Israel
Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

487 (1981) Israel
Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.

497 (1981) Israel
Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.

541 (1983) Turkey
Reiterates the need for compliance with prior resolutions and demands that the declaration of an independent Turkish Cypriot state be withdrawn.

550 (1984) Turkey
Reiterates UNSC resolution 541 and insists that member states may "not to facilitate or in any way assist" the secessionist entity.

573 (1985) Israel
Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.

592 (1986) Israel
Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.

605 (1987) Israel
"Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention."

607 (1986) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

608 (1988) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

636 (1989) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

641 (1989) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.

658 (1990) Morocco
Calls upon Morocco to "cooperate fully" with the Secretary General of the United Nations and the chairman of the Organization of African Unity "in their efforts aimed at an early settlement of the question of Western Sahara."

672 (1990) Israel
Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

673 (1990) Israel
Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.

681 (1990) Israel
Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

690 (1991) Morocco
Calls upon both parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary General in implementing a referendum on the fate of the territory.

694 (1991) Morocco
Reiterates that Israel "must refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilian from the occupied territories and ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported."

716 (1991) Morocco
Reaffirms previous resolutions on Cyprus.

725 (1991) Morocco
"Calls upon the two parties to cooperate fully in the settlement plan."

726 (1992) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

799 (1992) Israel
"Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention."

807 (1993) Croatia
Demands return of heavy weapons seized from UN storage areas.

809 (1992) Morocco
Reiterates call to cooperate with the peace settlement plan, particularly regarding voter eligibility for referendum.

815 (1993) Croatia
Reaffirms UNSC resolution 807.

822 (1993) Armenia
Calls for Armenia to implement the "immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbadjar district and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan."

853 (1993) Armenia
Demands "complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupying forces" from Azerbaijani territory.

874 (1993) Armenia
Reiterates calls for withdrawal of occupation forces.

884 (1993) Armenia
Calls on Armenia to use its influence to force compliance by Armenian militias to previous resolutions and to withdraw its remaining occupation forces.

896 (1994) Russia
"Calls upon all concerned to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Republic of Georgia."

904 (1994) Israel
Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."

973 (1995) Morocco
Reiterates the need for cooperation with United Nations and expediting referendum on the fate of Western Sahara.

995 (1995) Morocco
Calls for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts to move forward with a referendum.

1002 (1995) Morocco
Reiteration of call for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts.

1009 (1995) Croatia
Demands that Croatia "respect fully the rights of the local Serb population to remain, leave, or return in safety."

1017 (1995) Morocco
Reiterates the call for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts and to cease "procrastinating actions which could further delay the referendum."

1033 (1995) Morocco
Reiterates call for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts.

1044 (1996) Sudan
Calls upon Sudan to extradite to Ethiopia for prosecution three suspects in an assassination attempt of visiting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and to cease its support for sanctuary and offering of sanctuary to terrorists.

1054 (1996) Sudan
Demands that Sudan come into compliance with UNSC resolution 1044.

1056 (1996) Morocco
Calls for the release of political prisoners from occupied Western Sahara.

1070 (1996) Sudan
Reiterates demands to comply with 1044 and 1054.

1073 (1996) Israel
"Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured."

1079 (1996) Croatia
Reaffirms right of return for Serbian refugees to Croatia.

1092 (1996) Turkey/Cyprus
Calls for a reduction of foreign troops in Cyprus as the first step toward a total withdrawal troops as well as a reduction in military spending.

1117 (1997) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates call for a reduction of foreign troops in Cyprus as the first step toward a total withdrawal troops and reduction in military spending.

1120 (1997) Croatia
Reaffirms right of return for Serbian refugees to Croatia and calls on Croatia to change certain policies that obstruct this right, and to treat its citizens equally regardless of ethnic origin.

1145 (1997) Croatia
Reiterates Croatian responsibility in supporting the political and economic rights of its people regardless of ethnic origin.

1172 (1998) India, Pakistan
Calls upon India and Pakistan to cease their development of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

1178 (1998) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates call for a substantial reduction of foreign troops and reduction in military spending.

1185 (1998) Morocco
Calls for the lifting of restrictions of movement by aircraft of UN peacekeeping force.

1215 (1998) Morocco
Urges Morocco to promptly sign a "status of forces agreement."

1217 (1998) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates call for a substantial reduction of foreign troops and reduction in military spending.

1251 (1999) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates call for a substantial reduction of foreign troops and reduction in military spending.

1264 (1999) Indonesia
Calls on Indonesia to provide safe return for refugees and punish those for acts of violence during and after the referendum campaign.

1272 (1999) Indonesia
Stresses the need for Indonesia to provide for the safe return for refugees and maintain the civilian and humanitarian character of refugee camps.

1283 (1999) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates UNSC resolution 1251.

1303 (2000) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates UNSC resolutions 1283 and 1251.

1319 (2000) Indonesia
Insists that Indonesia "take immediate additional steps, in fulfillment of its responsibilities, to disarm and disband the militia immediately, restore law and order in the affected areas of West Timor, ensure safety and security in the refugee camps and for humanitarian workers, and prevent incursions into East Timor." Stresses that those guilty of attacks on international personnel be brought to justice and reiterates the need to provide safe return for refugees who wish to repatriate and provide resettlement for those wishing to stay in Indonesia.

1322 (2000) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.

1331 (2000) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates UNSC resolution 1251 and subsequent resolutions.

1338 (2001) Indonesia
Calls for Indonesian cooperation with the UN and other international agencies in the fulfillment of UNSC resolution 1319.

1359 (2001) Morocco
Calls on the parties to "abide by their obligations under international humanitarian law to release without further delay all those held since the start of the conflict."

1384 (2001) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates 1251 and all relevant resolutions on Cyprus.

1402 (2002) Israel
Calls for Israel to withdraw from Palestinian cities.

1403 (2002) Israel
Demands that Israel go through with "the implementation of its resolution 1402, without delay."

1405 (2002) Israel
Calls for UN inspectors to investigate civilian deaths during an Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp.

1416 (2002) Turkey/Cyprus
Reiterates UNSC resolution 1251 and all relevant resolutions on Cyprus.

1435 (2002) Israel
Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.

So you have established the UN is toothless...In the case of Iraq their were not only toothless, but complicit.

Where would you recommend we centralize the war on terror, Moses?...Egypt? Moroco? Palestine?

How intellectually feeble...God help us.

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I call a 21st Century Quagmire founded on an illegal war "unraveling."

And it seems many true Republicans feel the same way.

BTW: get your facts straight - the #2 al Queda man is still alive, and there have been no WMDs found as of yet.

:rolleyes:

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No question that Zawahiri was not as important as Zarqawi....We have found WMD and Saddam had the desire and plans to evolve his programs...Saddam had at least one organization willing and able to deliver chemical weapons, eg. al qaeda.

Moses cites truth - Bush et al thumb their noses at the UN and like-minded countries who sought to mediate this act of vengeance in ways other than warfare, but he now pleads with the UN to do something about N. Korea, knowing the North Koreans are just a little too large for this administration's gaping vitrolic mouth to swallow.

A hypocritical and pathetic show of leadership.

pssst: Indonesia

The UN's hands were bloody with Iraqi blood and black with Iraqi oil. They could not be trusted to handle Iraq. The UN's only source of credibility is their alignment with America and Republicans.

Gaping vitriolic mouth?...Please expand on this...I am pretty darned sure the vitriol is coming exclusively from the left.

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When were they found?

Glad you asked!

I posted this here more than a year ago;

Let me start by saying I am not in favor of the military excursion in Iraq. Nor am I a lefty apologist who thinks America is responsible for most what's wrong in the world. We are still a superpower, and everywhere we go leaves a bigger footprint.

Here's how I see it; The Mullahs and Imams and Saddams have one thing in common. They cling to power with the tenacity of a pit bull. To keep power, they imprison and murder the political opposition, even relatives. Some are religious hardliners, some are secular power brokers. They may not fear death, but loss of power is unthinkable.

Why not announce to the world that we intend to establish a covert-ops superfund. Tell the third world that we intend to infiltrate every level of government, buying and stealing secrets in an attempt to thwart terrorism. If our clandestine research reveals credible evidence that your nation has knowingly supported, harbored or sheltered terrorist organizations, you will be removed from power. There will be no invading army or occupying force. No attempt at nation building. Your leaders will simply disappear. Perhaps in the middle of the night at the hands of a team of specialists, perhaps in a single blinding flash of a cruise missle as your government assembles. Whatever new leaders arise to fill the leadership vacuum of your departure is of no consequence to us. We will deliver to them the same message you just received; we will not abide the sanctioning of terrorists.

Perhaps with the proper "motivation" the Saudi royal family and the Mullahs and Imams might actually police themselves.

Just a thought.

I like it, but would worry it'd plunge the region into civil war. After all, with Saddam in power, there was authority, the country did function, and it was less a threat than it is now, both to itself and us.

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Still waiting on that date of when WMDs were found in Iraq. SmileWavy

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http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

Like I said, I would not have "displaced" Saddam until he had been duly warned and we found credible evidence that he continued to support terrorists. Nothing like a few midnight assasinations to get a tyrants attention.

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I am sure at some point you commented in this thread.

Santorum Thread

I seem to recall you saying something about it not being important because they were old, and the Sarin was probably no good and the mustard gas probably would not kill you because it was old.

This is all political posturing, election year and all, nbot surprising what would spew forth from, what was the term, "the vitriolic mouth" of a political opportunist.

Saddam was "duly warned"...It was the fact that he was "duly warned" that allowed Saddam to destroy evidence and dismantle and/or bury his WMD programs.

If the Dems win either the Senate or House there will probably be impeachment proceedings. It's no longer the looney Left either. It's many from the Dem mainstream who are open to impeachment. The facts won't matter. It's blocking Bush's policies that matter. The general theme of "criminal conduct" hasn't caught on as well as "incompetence" has as the Dems default position. At least Dem Russ Feingold is honest about the Dems position. The Dems are upset that the President has been too energetic in using his powers to defend America.

btw.. 20th century rules will not win a 21st century war.

Where to centralize the battle against "terrorists?"

Afghanistan.

Value of degraded "WMDs" in human lives? 1-20th or, put another way, maybe one broken leg.

I guess you didn't read my post. Oh well.

Don't weapons have to be able to do mass destruction to be a weapon of MASS DESTRUCTION?

LOL

wasn't that the whole point? To dismantle his WMD program?

oh wait...I forgot...it wasn't about WMDs, it is about bringing democracy to the region. Or spreading honey to bring all the terrorists in the world to Iraq.

Its surprising that some of you guys rail against Hollywood since this administration cranks out some of the best fiction and plots twists to be found. Or maybe its just a few members of the public at large that are their devoted followers...