Impeachment talk from Ron Paul (R)

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

This guy sounds like a typical conspiracy theorist:

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Republican Congressman Ron Paul says President Bush has presided over a doctrine of violating the Constitution at every turn and that he should be impeached - but that likely Democratic efforts to do so will be in the interests of playing politics and not the health of the nation.

During an interview with Alex Jones on the GCN Radio network, Paul outlined the likely scenario as to how impeachment proceedings would unfold.

"I'd be surprised if they win both - I think they're going to win one body and if they win the House right now they do not say they would have an impeachment but I think the way that place operates I think they probably will make every effort," said Paul.

"If they happened to have a ten or fifteen vote margin that would be a political thing - it would be payback time."

Paul said that Bush should be impeached not under the umbrella of partisan vengeance but for ceaselessly breaking the laws of the land.

"I would have trouble arguing that he's been a Constitutional President and once you violate the Constitution and be proven to do that I think these people should be removed from office."

Opining that the US had entered a period of "soft fascism," Paul noted that the legacy of the Bush administration has been the total abandonment of Constitutional principles.

"Congress has generously ignored the Constitution while the President flaunts it, the courts have ignored it and they get in the business of legislating so there's no respect for the rule of law." said Paul.

"When the Presidents signs all these bills and then adds statements after saying I have no intention of following it - he's in a way signing it and vetoing - so in his mind he's vetoing a lot of bills, in our mind under the rule of law he hasn't vetoed a thing."

Asked what the ultimate agenda was behind the American Union and the push on behalf of the Bush administration to homogenize the US with Mexico and Canada, Paul was clear in his response.

"I think the goal is one world government - we have not only the U.N. - we have the WTO, the IMF, the World Bank, then we have all the subsidiaries like NAFTA and hemispheric governments, highways coming in."

"I just hope and pray that we can wake up enough people," said Paul, noting that Texans in his own backyard were more aware of Bush selling out the country for an American Union than anyone in Washington.

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Look up Alex Jones. If this is the company Ron Paul keeps, he's definitely the Zell Miller of his party.

Moses · 07-10-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by techweenie

Republican Congressman Ron Paul says President Bush has presided over a doctrine of violating the Constitution at every turn and that he should be impeached - but that likely Democratic efforts to do so will be in the interests of playing politics and not the health of the nation.

About time someone said it.

I still can't believe we invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses and the President gets a pass. WTF?

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:04 PM

What false pretenses?...Did Bush say Saddam didn't have connections to al qaeda and didn't have a plan on reconstituting his WMD program?

on-ramp · 07-10-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Moses
About time someone said it.

I still can't believe we invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses and the President gets a pass. WTF?

the president and the weak Congress that gave him a blank check to wage war.

so many people's lives destroyed over the fraud that is the war in Iraq and nobody seems to care. It's business as usual... Impeachment is nowhere near a suitable punishment for this.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by Moses
About time someone said it.

I still can't believe we invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses and the President gets a pass. WTF?

but we're there to bring them democracy. We know what's best for them. We know what's best for everyone.

And it was between Iraq and about 50 other non-democratic countries and Iraq won the coin toss. Who woulda thunk it?

on-ramp · 07-10-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What false pretenses?...Did Bush say Saddam didn't have connections to al qaeda and didn't have a plan on reconstituting his WMD program?

if after all this, you seriously still believe invading Iraq was to protect the American people from WMDs, that one day Saddam would launch a missile into NYC, then you have a serious mental disorder.

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:11 PM

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally posted by on-ramp
if after all this, you seriously still believe invading Iraq was to protect the American people from WMDs, that one day Saddam would launch a missile into NYC, then you have a serious mental disorder.

Oh, but to reconstitute orange juice, you just add water. WMDs couldn't be any more difficult than that.

And making a missile that goes 700 miles go 7,000 miles...? Trivial!

on-ramp · 07-10-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose

I'm very certain that Saddam was happy when the Towers were bombed. so what? so were about 100 other nations.

what is that poster supposed to prove?

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:15 PM

Iraq is the central front on terrorism...That, therefore, is precisely where we should be...Before we entered Iraq the terrorists and their infrastructure was diffuse and diluted. We entered Iraq and we concentrated and focused their efforts...Stroke of brilliance.

Moses · 07-10-2006, 02:16 PM

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally posted by on-ramp
I'm very certain that Saddam was happy when the Towers were bombed. so what? so were about 100 other nations.

what is that poster supposed to prove?

LOL!

Some boob paints a picture, and that's evidence?

I dunno. I mean the soldier on the right is smiling. Does that mean he's hooked up with al Quaeda, too?

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by on-ramp
I'm very certain that Saddam was happy when the Towers were bombed. so what? so were about 100 other nations.

what is that poster supposed to prove?

Saddam had connections and a desire to do America harm. It is still inconclusive if Saddam aided in the 9-11 attack on the WTC...It is not every tyrant that had a picture commissioned that would suggest he had a role in the attack...This picture clearly suggests he had a connection or a desire to harm America.

Saddam would have gladly produced and sold biological/chemical weapons to al qaeda.

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:20 PM

Saddam's links to terrorists are about a mile long.

Moses · 07-10-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose

Saddam would have gladly produced and sold biological/chemical weapons to al qaeda.

I have some more suspects;

* Algeria
* Bahrain
* Egypt
* Iran
* Jordan
* Kuwait
* Lebanon
* Libya
* Morocco
* Oman
* Palestinian Authority
* Qatar
* Saudi Arabia
* Somalia
* Sudan
* Syria
* Tunisia
* United Arab Emirates
* Yemen

Think we might run out of bombs?

dd74 · 07-10-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by techweenie

"I just hope and pray that we can wake up enough people," said Paul, noting that Texans in his own backyard were more aware of Bush selling out the country for an American Union than anyone in Washington.

Yep - it's beginning to unravel for Bush - not that it hasn't already. But for a grass roots effort to start against him in his own state, a Republican stronghold at that, does show he's going down in flames.

Fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a bumpy 18 months.

hardflex · 07-10-2006, 02:33 PM

impeach the b#stard

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Moses
I have some more suspects;

* Algeria
* Bahrain
* Egypt
* Iran
* Jordan
* Kuwait
* Lebanon
* Libya
* Morocco
* Oman
* Palestinian Authority
* Qatar
* Saudi Arabia
* Somalia
* Sudan
* Syria
* Tunisia
* United Arab Emirates
* Yemen

Think we might run out of bombs?

Saddam topped this list. Saddam violated 17 UN resolutions. Saddam's human rights abuses surpass those you offer. Saddam had a working relationship with al qaeda.

Mulhollanddose · 07-10-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
Yep - it's beginning to unravel for Bush - not that it hasn't already.

You call nailing the #2 Al qaeda and finding WMD, "unraveling"?

If the media was behind (not with a knife thrusting) Bush the impression would be wholy different.

Moses · 07-10-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Saddam topped this list.
That honor probably goes to Saudi Arabia.

Saddam violated 17 UN resolutions.

17?

Here's a partial list of U.N. resolution violations ;

465 (1980) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.

471 (1980) Israel
Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.

484 (1980) Israel
Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

487 (1981) Israel
Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.

497 (1981) Israel
Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.

541 (1983) Turkey
Reiterates the need for compliance with prior resolutions and demands that the declaration of an independent Turkish Cypriot state be withdrawn.

550 (1984) Turkey
Reiterates UNSC resolution 541 and insists that member states may "not to facilitate or in any way assist" the secessionist entity.

573 (1985) Israel
Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.

592 (1986) Israel
Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.

605 (1987) Israel
"Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention."

607 (1986) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

608 (1988) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

636 (1989) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.

641 (1989) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.

658 (1990) Morocco
Calls upon Morocco to "cooperate fully" with the Secretary General of the United Nations and the chairman of the Organization of African Unity "in their efforts aimed at an early settlement of the question of Western Sahara."

672 (1990) Israel
Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

673 (1990) Israel
Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.

681 (1990) Israel
Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.

690 (1991) Morocco
Calls upon both parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary General in implementing a referendum on the fate of the territory.

694 (1991) Morocco
Reiterates that Israel "must refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilian from the occupied territories and ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported."

716 (1991) Morocco
Reaffirms previous resolutions on Cyprus.

725 (1991) Morocco
"Calls upon the two parties to cooperate fully in the settlement plan."

726 (1992) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.

799 (1992) Israel
"Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention."

807 (1993) Croatia
Demands return of heavy weapons seized from UN storage areas.

809 (1992) Morocco
Reiterates call to cooperate with the peace settlement plan, particularly regarding voter eligibility for referendum.

815 (1993) Croatia
Reaffirms UNSC resolution 807.

822 (1993) Armenia
Calls for Armenia to implement the "immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbadjar district and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan."

853 (1993) Armenia
Demands "complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupying forces" from Azerbaijani territory.

874 (1993) Armenia
Reiterates calls for withdrawal of occupation forces.

884 (1993) Armenia
Calls on Armenia to use its influence to force compliance by Armenian militias to previous resolutions and to withdraw its remaining occupation forces.

896 (1994) Russia
"Calls upon all concerned to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Republic of Georgia."

904 (1994) Israel
Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."

973 (1995) Morocco
Reiterates the need for cooperation with United Nations and expediting referendum on the fate of Western Sahara.

995 (1995) Morocco
Calls for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts to move forward with a referendum.

1002 (1995) Morocco
Reiteration of call for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts.

1009 (1995) Croatia
Demands that Croatia "respect fully the rights of the local Serb population to remain, leave, or return in safety."

1017 (1995) Morocco
Reiterates the call for "genuine cooperation" with UN efforts and to cease "procrastinating actions which could further delay the referendum."