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Was that TV preacher asking for you to send money to him?

What scares me is that I've heard that that George W. Bush actually believes the Adam and Eve thing and that the earth is only about 5,000 years old. This from the man with his hands on the nuclear (nuculear) football.

moses' data is along the lines of what i'd expect. come on, jim..work with me here, buddy! :D
ryan

telomerase is a b*tch...

Evolution relies on mistakes. Most mistakes are silent. Some are advantageous. Others are deleterious. Cancer is a mistake. Some of the people around here are a mistake, but that is an *entirely* different thread :p

You can't overcome the odds...

Creation is the only thing that actually makes sense.
Is it too simple for you?

See, everything else is just guessing and making things up to fill in the holes.


KT

Bull. Odds?, I’ll bet you can’t explain the concept of odds accurately. If you understood probability theory you would not bring this up all the time. Sense?, like common sense? Like the commonly "known" fact" that traveling faster than a horse could gallop would suck the wind out of your lungs and you would die" type of sense (believed for several thousand years)? Please, if you do not understand and have not studied physics, chemistry, biology, etc., do not pass judgment on what is a mystery to you. That would be like... really stupid. If you don't understand the science, that means it all sounds strange and you will rely on fairy tales and myth to explain reality.

Indeed. Evolution theory violates one of science's central immutable truths, the 2nd law of thermodynamics...foolish liberals and other suckers.

No missing link...If evolution were fact there would be a continuous presence of missing links.

Yep. What is great about being a faithful believer in evolution is that you can change your theory with every new-found flaw, and still be accepted and rigidly dogmatic.

With the recent history of god-mockers in high positions, you should wish for a deluded fundamentalist Christian...in fact your very prosperity was built on their deluded backs, the very foundation of this great country.

ah yes, the idiotic application of the 2nd law again...

please read and learn. If that is possible.

"Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics."

This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, "No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body." [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.

However, they neglect the fact that life is not a closed system. The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? Creationists sometimes try to get around this by claiming that the information carried by living things lets them create order. However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?

The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.

The thrust of my point, albeit founded in the immutable (despite your misconstructions), was that it is the God rejectors that you should fear, them and Muslims (they joined forces in WWII and have rejoined forces today in the UN and liberalism).

Just in the last 100 years those of the secular humanistic faith have made significant inroads to being the greatest practitioners of human evil the world has seen...They sure did make up quickly for such a short time of earthly dominance...Their doctrine of choas and disorder is slowly taking its toll on humanity.

just admit you are wrong about your application of the 2nd law, and that you don't know jack about science. Then continue with your other rantings...

I admit nothing. Evolution contradicts the 2nd Law. I understand that your monkey descendents think so, but a lot of your brothers are still swinging through trees and throwing feces at each other in zoos.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html

But your posts speak for themselves. As usual. The sad thing is that the 2nd law doesn't obviate a higher power so strict creationists don't need to use that specious argument. In other words, you don't need to close your mind quite so tight. But I understand that it is easier that way. Best of luck with that.

Evolution is a joke...Christianity's achievements far surpass anything any other ideology has ever offered.

I now have the final proof that you are a complete idiot, Mr. Mul. Not that I did not know it already, but here, it is absolutely undeniable. I`ll stil enjoy your posts though, just like I enjoy watching monkeys in the Zoo, or clowns at the circus.

Aurel

What is it about being closely genetically related with chimps that you Bible believers find so obnoxious ? Or perhaps that fact is OK, as long as the process involved creation as opposed to evolution ? Perhaps God just had a long day. Decided to make two species with almost identical genes, throwing in a bit of fur on one and a tad more versatile brain functions on the other. Pretty content with himself, tired after a long day of creations, he utters the legendary phrase: "Voila´! Monkey and Man! .....yawn..or was it the other way... yawn ...zzzz http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/munky2.gif

Regardless of one's beliefs on this subject it is very clear that Aurel is a very angry person. One that likes to put down others in a very bitter fashion. I wish you peace Aurel, its abundantly clear that you need it.

Everytime someone puts up their *absolute* scientific expertise and super-knowledge, I just laugh.

We can't even figure out what to do with our garbage as a people and I'm supposed to think you have the mysteries of the universe in the bag...Haaahaahhaaahha.

You have to laugh...

I think micro evolution is true, but as to macro evolution, like a fish becoming a man, or dog, whatever is total bunk. One very big hole in current theory is how to explain the continual loss of species. Why has no new species been shown to evolve from an old one (thats any macro evolution)? Certainly some species must evolve faster than others. THere must be at least ONE bit of evidence.

As to religion, the Pope and Catholic church, beleive in evolution, just how is that possible. Or is it the critics are actually ignorant about religion and are displaying that ignorance with their incredible statements. Their lack of knowledge is also displayed with their statements on evolution.

As to the second law of thermodynamics--wtf--?? Total lack of understanding and total misapplication of the law has been presented by all of the previous posts on this thread. Then again I only minored in physics so I might not understand the application of that law in ways that are totally inconsistant with its intended applications. Usually only uneducated people utilize something they do not understand and try to apply it to something it was never intended for, that is it just dosen't apply.

As to order, all things will go from less stable to more stable states. What that may have to do with order, I don't know. For example, a bunch of sand circulating in a bunch of mud looks pretty disorderly to me. But once it settles out in nice flat, uniform layers of sediment, it looks much more orderly. As to the total energy, its constant, as energy is never created or destroyed, only transformed.

In nature many things that look disorderly to many people are actually quite orderly. Many just cannot see the order. For example take a stone fire place. A lot of them look like a pile of rubble, why? Because the person building them cannot see the order in nature. A master stone fire place builder produces a work of art, something that almost everyone can recognize. They cannot define what it is that they like, but it is the natural order that has been preserved by the builder. That same order is displayed by mother nature in many ways, but many people only see disorder because they are blind. Arguements of things changing from a state of order to disorder is in the eye of the viewer, it is an artform, not a science and consequently cannot be used as the basis for an arguemnet to prove or disprove anythiing.

Just like the above statement, you either agree or disagree. My statement proves nothing. It is a basis for looking into mother nature closer and finding something you may be able to prove or disprove. Evolution is a THEORY, not a fact. Anyone making derogatory remarks about people or their religion is biased, uninformed, and very nervous. Nervous that one of the religious people might be right.