violence or not, I had to choose

[sammyg2]

I was sitting in a local sandwich shop with a couple of my friends last Thursday after work enjoying a beer.

We were talking about all sorts of things, the subject of cars came up as usual.
It drifted to drag racing ,one guy said he was amazed that top fuel engines were making 7000 hp.
I said that nitromethane was magic stuff, I played with in in my drag boat about 20 years ago. He asked if I was making 7000 hp, I said no way. I only got up to 40% nitro and 60% methanol before I grenaded the engine (a supercharged chrysler hemi with all sorts of non stock items). After i put it back together I changed it back to racing gas. He asked how much power I was making, I said I didn't know but it might have been as much as 2000.

A black guy was was sitting at the next table must have been listening, he looked over and said I was full of *****.
I said it was none of his business but I have pictures and reciepts to prove it, and several of the people who hang around here remember the boat and can back up the story.
He jumped all over it and started calling me a ****** cracker and everything else. He said "that's why I hate ****** crackers, you're all full of *****".
Now he was probably in his late 20's, I had never seen him before, but he was acting like he was either drunk or on something.
I hate being called a liar. I looked him down and thoughts of kicking his butt filled my head.
I'm 45 but in my younger years I was a relatively violent person. Back then I would have not even thought, I would have reacted without hesitation and attacked him with every ounce of fury I had.
I knew I could take him but for the first time in my life when faced with that situation I hesitated. There was no fear of getting hurt physically so that wasn't what held me back. Maybe it was the risk of getting in trouble with the law, maybe it was my religious beliefs I didn't have when I was younger, maybe both. I'm not sure.
He kept going on with the insults, threats, and profanity.
My buddies kept saying "don't do it man, he aint worth it. Just ignore him".
I just sat there staring at him and arguing with myself, should I bust him up or not?
He deserved it but I didn't do it.
After another minute or so of his mouthing off he got up and left. I almost followed him out but didn't. I just stared at him the whole time with fire in my eyes.

Later I thought about it and was glad that I didn't do something stupid and risk hurting my wife and kids, obviously I had more to lose that this guy did.
But....... I can't get the feeling of rage to go away. For the first time in a very long time, I feel real hate towards a human being. I really want to hurt him badly, so much I start shaking when I think about it.
No matter how I try and justify my actions I still have a feeling of cowardice. Maybe that's why I am so angry. I even had evil thoughts of racism a couple of times which is not normal for me at all. I keep thinking about going out to find that SOB and teach him to keep his mouth shut.

I know I did the right thing but I gotta get this hate out of my head. I'm going to talk to my pastor tomorrow at church about it, hopefully he will be able to help me find peace.

Anyone else ever faced with that situation? How did you handle it?

[fintstone]

You are a stronger man than me.

[nostatic]

Kudos for doing the right thing (imho). I've been in similar situations. Handled it exactly the same. I've never once in my life hit another person in anger. Life is too short. I've come to realize that people can say something, but what's behind it is totally different. He was yelling at your, but it likely was about his g/f or his dad or whatever else. So just let it roll of your back. It isn't about you.

That being said I almost curbed the b*tch who kept screaming nonstop behind me at the Steely Dan concert. My g/f actually stepped between us. but I was a good boy...

[red-beard]

Words are words. If he threatened you directly, that is different.

[sammyg2]

Yes, he did threaten me several times. He said he was gonna kick my cracker @ss, I said something like "bring it on you piece of *****." There was no doubt what would have happened if he tried but he didn't.
I was just starting on my second beer so alcohol had nothing to do with my actions.

[Jims5543]

Ahh yess, but 25 years ago an A-hole would have took a beating and walked away knowing he deserved it.

Today? He would have had a lwyer 10 minutes after the beating and he would have owned your house and cars.

[red-beard]

You do know that in some gang initiations they randomly pick a fight with someone.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Yes, he did threaten me several times. He said he was gonna kick my cracker @ss, I said something like "bring it on you piece of *****." There was no doubt what would have happened if he tried but he didn't.
I was just starting on my second beer so alcohol had nothing to do with my actions.

like red said, words are words. Those aren't threats, they are words from a scared, angry person. Odds are if you don't act, they stay just words. If you call him on them, he has no choice but to escalate. He's f*d up and looking for something. You didn't give it to him. I say again, kudos...

[techweenie]

Sometimes, doing the right thing leaves your guts in an uproar. But it's still the right thing.

[Seahawk]

Originally posted by techweenie
Sometimes, doing the right thing leaves your guts in an uproar. But it's still the right thing.

In this case, no question...I'll echo the kudos. I am trying to instill what you did in the face of an aggressor in my son. Don't start the fight.

But be ready. Kudos, again.

BTW...I wish I had taken my own advice.

[Moses]

You did the right thing. If you kicked his butt, you might have found yourself in court charged with a hate crime. It happens. Far better to let it go.

[livi]

Now focus and think hard. You describe a feeling. Rage ? Cowardliness ? Revenge ? Fear ? Something different ? All of above ?

A total stranger comes up and call you a liar and worse in front of your friends and a variety of unknown people in the room.

Why should that bother you ? Should it ? Is it prestige ? Toward you friends ? Toward yourself perhaps ?

Why did his words make you feel that way ? Think !

What would be the difference between you and another person in your situation that kept cool even on the inside ?

Your inner feelings were of course quit natural. You biological hormone system lid up for 'fight or flight'.

And, as you well know, you were the bigger man avoiding blood shed. For some reason I try to picture the scene - and keep seeing a young version of Sean Connery..

[DavidI]

Sammy, you did the right thing because most people don't fight anymore. Most talk big, then resort to guns. Even with a good whoopin', that knothead would not have learned a lesson. That starts way back in childhood. Another thing, if the guy truly wanted a fight, he would have at least attempted to hit you. It was just words with nothing behind it.

David

[white87911]

I live my life by the the motto of "never through the first pounch" But when someone else throughs the first pounch then all bet asre off and I will do everything in my power to win,

You did the right thing.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by sammyg2
I was sitting in a local sandwich shop with a couple of my friends last Thursday after work enjoying a beer.

We were talking about all sorts of things, the subject of cars came up as usual.
It drifted to drag racing ,one guy said he was amazed that top fuel engines were making 7000 hp.
I said that nitromethane was magic stuff, I played with in in my drag boat about 20 years ago. He asked if I was making 7000 hp, I said no way. I only got up to 40% nitro and 60% methanol before I grenaded the engine (a supercharged chrysler hemi with all sorts of non stock items). After i put it back together I changed it back to racing gas. He asked how much power I was making, I said I didn't know but it might have been as much as 2000.

A black guy was was sitting at the next table must have been listening, he looked over and said I was full of *****.
I said it was none of his business but I have pictures and reciepts to prove it, and several of the people who hang around here remember the boat and can back up the story.
He jumped all over it and started calling me a ****** cracker and everything else. He said "that's why I hate ****** crackers, you're all full of *****".
Now he was probably in his late 20's, I had never seen him before, but he was acting like he was either drunk or on something.
I hate being called a liar. I looked him down and thoughts of kicking his butt filled my head.
I'm 45 but in my younger years I was a relatively violent person. Back then I would have not even thought, I would have reacted without hesitation and attacked him with every ounce of fury I had.
I knew I could take him but for the first time in my life when faced with that situation I hesitated. There was no fear of getting hurt physically so that wasn't what held me back. Maybe it was the risk of getting in trouble with the law, maybe it was my religious beliefs I didn't have when I was younger, maybe both. I'm not sure.
He kept going on with the insults, threats, and profanity.
My buddies kept saying "don't do it man, he aint worth it. Just ignore him".
I just sat there staring at him and arguing with myself, should I bust him up or not?
He deserved it but I didn't do it.
After another minute or so of his mouthing off he got up and left. I almost followed him out but didn't. I just stared at him the whole time with fire in my eyes.

Later I thought about it and was glad that I didn't do something stupid and risk hurting my wife and kids, obviously I had more to lose that this guy did.
But....... I can't get the feeling of rage to go away. For the first time in a very long time, I feel real hate towards a human being. I really want to hurt him badly, so much I start shaking when I think about it.
No matter how I try and justify my actions I still have a feeling of cowardice. Maybe that's why I am so angry. I even had evil thoughts of racism a couple of times which is not normal for me at all. I keep thinking about going out to find that SOB and teach him to keep his mouth shut.

I know I did the right thing but I gotta get this hate out of my head. I'm going to talk to my pastor tomorrow at church about it, hopefully he will be able to help me find peace.

Anyone else ever faced with that situation? How did you handle it?

I'd have asked the manager to remove the guy. What he did was chargeable as simple assault. When you point out that the establishment might be responsible if you defend yourself and are injured, they usually act to remove the trouble.

[vash]

good choice. he may have been a knife carrying idiot. no sense fighting over some idiots' words.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
go drive your Porsche and revel in the good life that you have earned and built for yourself!

-Wayne

+1

"Living well is the best revenge."

[ROSSINNI]

A friend of mine was in the same situation as you about a year ago except he did kick the guys butt. He is now in jail and his wife and his kids have to come and visit him every weekend in St. Cloud, MN. Imagine being 5 and 3 and seeing your dad behind bars. Be glad that you held back. It takes more of a man to hold back then it does to show how tough you are by kickin' butt!!

[fastpat]

Originally posted by ROSSINNI
A friend of mine was in the same situation as you about a year ago except he did kick the guys butt. He is now in jail and his wife and his kids have to come and visit him every weekend in St. Cloud, MN. Imagine being 5 and 3 and seeing your dad behind bars. Be glad that you held back. It takes more of a man to hold back then it does to show how tough you are by kickin' butt!!

A lesson that applies to individuals and governments.

[Por_sha911]

Originally posted by fastpat
A lesson that applies to individuals and governments.

Now lets all follow sammy's example of self-restraint and not jump into a fight cause some guy throws a political slam in an non-political thread. I'll be Sammy and not respond.