Leiberman defeated...maybe

[fastpat]

Originally posted by techweenie
So many conservatives here are completely mystified that anyone would care about thousands of US soldiers dying for no good reason. Apparently, the majority of Americans do, and to conservatives, that makes them "loony."

Not conservatives, neo-cons.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Tobra
Oh, BTW, Lieberman will win his seat.

No, he will not win, he will be a spoiler for the Bush'ists.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by techweenie
So many conservatives here are completely mystified that anyone would care about thousands of US soldiers dying for no good reason.

What a load.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Tobra
The rest of it is not particularly funny, but not particularly correct either, unless of course we are talking about your opinion again.

It's not my opinion. The most powerful Shiites in Iraq, the ones that control the government, the ones we are fighting for, are aligned with Iraq and Syria, our enemies. They have condemned Israel while holding mass demonstrations in support of Hezbollah.

If you are going to support continuing to send our men and women to fight and die for foreigners, at least have some clue what the hell you are talking about. For God's sake, at least take the time to find out who they are.

[Nathans_Dad]

Oh, oh, oh!! Lemme Rodeo, can I, can I, ppplllllluuuueeeezzzeee???

[Tobra]

Originally posted by techweenie
So many conservatives here are completely mystified that anyone would care about thousands of US soldiers dying for no good reason . Apparently, the majority of Americans do, and to conservatives, that makes them "loony."

No, I for one am mystified that you can't see WTF is going on. You are worse than the GOP was just prior to WWII, and this time the other side has been promoting exactly what their intentions are.

At least Adolf made nice for a while before he had his boys kicking in doors and putting numbers on peoples forearms, this crowd is much more straight up telling us in well produced videotapes what they want.

Obviously we need to get out of Iraq, but if we do it in a stupid manner, it will be promoted as a defeat by our opponents, which is one of several reasons the Israelis are still shooting at Lebanon. If it is not broken off just right, the gates of Hell open up

[lendaddy]

Isn't that guy the Kingmaker? I'm pretty sure he's the Kingmaker. Rodeo, am I right, is he the Kingmaker?

[Rodeo]

Not funny. Good people are dying.

That's one of the men controlling the deployment of our military forces. That one of the radical Muslims George Bush has us working for, and will keep us working for until he says we can go home.

I don't want to work for him. That makes me a "liberal" right?

[Nathans_Dad]

No, it makes you a broken record.

[Tobra]

but gee rodeo, if the Syrians and Iranians are on the same side as the guys we are supporting, why do they keep sending troops(insurgents),supplies and support to foght against the government, killing hundreds of innocent men, women and children for every American they manage to kill?

Wait, the Arab dead are all martyrs, so it is all good, and the local population is thinned out a bit, they can sweep through Iraq on their way to the Mediterranean Sea more easily, it all makes so much sense.

Yeah, that militia dude is telling us what to do, I think I read that on the dailykos or maybe the NY Times

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Not funny. Good people are dying.

Just so I know I'm getting this right..... your mentioning that "good men are dying" automatically costs me the argument, correct? It's kind of a trump card if I recall correctly. I mean I could throw out a reasoned argument with facts and citations and you can come back with "good men are dying" and I'de be stuck. Your debate-fu is strong indeed!

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Tobra
but gee rodeo, if the Syrians and Iranians are on the same side as the guys we are supporting, why do they keep sending troops(insurgents),supplies and support to foght against the government, killing hundreds of innocent men, women and children for every American they manage to kill?

You have the parties completely mixed up.

Unbelievable that you vocally support making better men and women put their lives on the line every day, for a foreign nation, and you are CLUELESS.

The "insurgents" are Sunnis, assclown. The "government" is Shiite, just like Iran. And just like Hezbollah. The Shiia are using us to kill the Sunnis. When we are done with that, they will have no further use for us.

Iran is keeping things just unsettled enough that assclowns like you chant "finish the job," keep us bogged down in an impossible situation, allowing Iran to continue with its nuclear program and start wars with Israel.

You are clueless.

You are the perfect Bush supporter.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Tobra
No, I for one am mystified that you can't see WTF is going on. You are worse than the GOP was just prior to WWII, and this time the other side has been promoting exactly what their intentions are.

That's right, and it's to run the west out of their homelands and establish self government, or whatever type of government THEY want, in their own lands.

At least Adolf made nice for a while before he had his boys kicking in doors and putting numbers on peoples forearms, this crowd is much more straight up telling us in well produced videotapes what they want.

No, in fact that was never true. The National Socialists had been killing and fighting in the streets for 5-6 years prior to Hitlers appointment to the Chancelory. Please, learn your history.

Obviously we need to get out of Iraq, but if we do it in a stupid manner, it will be promoted as a defeat by our opponents, which is one of several reasons the Israelis are still shooting at Lebanon. If it is not broken off just right, the gates of Hell open up

We, Americans, need to force the US government out of Iraq immediately as fast as transports can move them out; then we need to force the US government to leave every overseas base on the planet where it has managed to insinuate itself; and finally we need to prohibit the US government from military adventures overseas by law, with deadly consequences for any lawmaker that proposes sending them anyplace outside the boundaries of the States United.

Period, no ifs, and no buts.

[Scooter]

It's time to go back on the medication.

[Rodeo]

Notice how Tobra, having been corrected in his idiotic, uninformed statement that Iran is sending insurgents to attack the Iraq government, silently goes away.

He'll pop up somewhere else, and call anyone that does not want our men and women to fight and die for the Iraqi/Iranian enemy "cowards." He'll be as clueless then as he is now.

You are asking people to put their lives on the line every day for a foreign nation! At least have the decency to figure out who you are sending them to die for.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Just so I know I'm getting this right..... your mentioning that "good men are dying" automatically costs me the argument, correct? It's kind of a trump card if I recall correctly. I mean I could throw out a reasoned argument with facts and citations and you can come back with "good men are dying" and I'de be stuck. Your debate-fu is strong indeed!

Your debate-fu is weak, grashopper. At least try to feign concern over Americans dying for nothing.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Scooter03
It's time to go back on the medication.

Go right ahead, hope you have medical supervision.

[Tobra]

Sorry buddy, I have a job, someone has to provide financial support to the Socialist Republic of California. I am self employed


Back to it,

Okay my friend, where is the financial and material support coming from for these insurgents(Iran, yeah they are sending people too), why are the Persians so hot for the Iraqui government to fail(Gives a nice black eye to the infidels, and makes it just that much easier to step in later) The Iranians are behind most of the trouble in that part of the world, they stir up lots of problems, let the US, along with the Brits, Aussies and Israelis chase around putting out fires and stay occupied. If we can get some semblance of stability in Iraq, it puts us in a much better position. We can try to deal with it now, or wait. Do you honestly believe that if we just bail it is going to make the situation in Iraq better?

I don't think you are a coward, you are an educated moron, which to me is much worse. You are absolutely convinced of your intellectual and moral superiority. You will present your opinion as unassailable fact and call anyone who disagrees with you names. I guess someone had to do this after Mul got booted, thanks for stepping up.



Oh, and if you don't think the US is doing anything with respect to the Iranian nuclear situation you should try harder to keep current.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Rodeo
The "insurgents" are Sunnis, .......... The "government" is Shiite, just like Iran.

Saddam's Baath party was mostly Sunnis, so does this mean we are still fighting Saddam's forces?

Looks like we just hired them back to help make peace.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/i_latestdetail.asp?id=40178

Some 10,000 Iraqi workers in Saddam's regime re-employed (Updated 01:48 p.m.)

2006/8/7
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP)


About 10,000 workers in Saddam Hussein's former regime have been re-employed as part of national reconciliation, reversing their purge after the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion, an official said.

More than 8,000 of the reinstated employees worked for the key interior and defense ministries, Rashid Najeb Saleh, the chief of the Agency for Dissolved Entities, told a news conference Sunday.

"All Iraqis are under the umbrella of Iraq and now we are seeking the national reconciliation through this directorate," he said.

The agency was set up by the government in 2005 to help tens of thousands of workers made jobless in the purge after the 2003 invasion toppled Saddam.

The program involved purging the government of senior officials who were members from Saddam's Baath Party. But in the absence of proper records it is likely that tens of thousands of lower level officials were also sacked.

Most government officials in Saddam's time were Sunnis, who had traditionally suppressed the majority Shiites.

The de-Baathification purge fueled dissatisfaction among the Sunnis against the U.S.-backed Shiite-dominated government, and contributed to the sectarian strife sweeping the country. The strife has taken the form of tit-for-tat killings by Shiite and Sunni extremist groups.

Saleh said the decision to reinstate former employees "is very important to resuscitate a wide segment of our Iraqi society."

He said nearly 700,000 Iraqi citizens including up to 400,000 members of Saddam's armed forces have been "deprived of their rights."

During Saddam's time about 2.5 million people were members of the Baath Party. Many would have joined it to secure well-paid government jobs and perks rather than to show support for Saddam or Baathism.

[Tobra]

Originally posted by techweenie
Your debate-fu is weak, grashopper. At least try to feign concern over Americans dying for nothing.

They don't think so, I have never seen a quote from any military member who felt they were there "for nothing". Just because you say it, does not make it so.

I like how if you are not for bailing out of Iraq tomorrow you have no concern about dying Americans. Keep hitting those talking points boys

gotta go back to work, see y'all later, have some more kool aid Tech and Rodeo, gotta keep your strength up so you can hold that tinfoil hat straight