Leave that Shampoo behind
 

I hope none of you are flying today. No liquids of any kind in your carry on bags.

And they are looking to ban electronic devices. No cells phones, I-pods or PCs.

Welcome to the new world!

This is after a undisclosed terror attempt was foiled in Britian. :rolleyes:

God forbid we be proactive on terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

Banning cell phones would be a mistake.

If I remember correctly that is how the passengers on United 93 were able to alert people on the ground and vice versa.

So it would seem to be useful tool in thwarting potential hi-jackers.

It will be pretty annoying to fly without a bottle of water to keep hydrated. This might not be so bad if there was some coordination with the airlines to provide "liquid" upon boarding. Fat chance of that. :(

You can purchase one past the checkpoint, but no liquids through the checkpoint.

How do the Israelis handle airport security? That's probably where we should be heading.

I think pretty soon we're gonna have to strip before getting on the planes, and fly naked.

The Isrealis conduct an extensive interview one on one with every passenger. You are asked about your travelling companion (your answers are compared to theirs), your recent local itenerary (will be verified somehow), your reaction to 'stimulus questions' will be observed, your appearance and body language will be rated, your passport will be examined for previous travel, and the sum total of all of this is given a score. This is also done for aircrew. If you are on EL AL, it doesn't take much to get booted. There are 3 or 4 booted from every flight. Every flight. If you are from certain countries, or have visited certain countries, or even look like you are from certain countries, you are booted.

Hard to argue with success. Yes, profiling works. Not PC, but it works. Imagine it? It's coming.

Faster, please.

JP

Industry verbiage:

"U.K. Airports:

All passengers are permitted to put essential carry-on items into a clear plastic bag provided by the airport authorities. The remaining items are being placed in checked baggage. This practice will continue for the foreseeable future.



U.S. Airports:

These new temporary restrictions will be in place for every flight originating in the United States regardless of destination. Additional time should be allowed for the anticipated delays which will occur due to these new screening procedures.



As of 4 a.m. EST, Aug. 10, liquids are no longer permitted as carry-on items. This includes: lotions, toothpaste, hair spray, hair gel and beverages. These items are permitted in checked baggage.


Prescription medication labeled with a name that matches the passenger’s ticket will be allowed as will insulin and essential other non-prescription medications.


Baby formula will be allowed by travelers accompanying small children and infants; however, adult travelers may be required to taste the items in the presence of security officials."

I unfortunately fly quite a bit (the thrill has been gone for a long time).

In addition to the other fine points raised, a couple of things:

When you fly Saudi Air, every passengers hand carried luggage is hand searched as you board the plane on the jet way. Tables are set up, sufficient staff are in place and the whole thing goes smoothly. I have no issue. I think it should be done on domestic flights as well.


Limit the number of carry-on bags to one. Period.

Search/scan/open all checked baggage. Set the time limit for checked baggage to one hour before take-off.

I also do the eye scan service in/out of Heathrow. I would gladly submit to a background check if this technology was available domestically.

Good post, Rick. Saves me a call.

This system is not practical for the US.

Each year in the US, 659 million passengers take 10.4 million flights. You want to do 659 million security interviews per year? At 15 minutes per interview, that's around 19,000 person/years. Translates to a force of around 150,000 interviewers including the attendant supervisory/support heads.

Air travel security in the US is going to have to come from technology and intelligence-gathering. El Al-style individual individual interviews are not realistically feasible. Building a high-speed rail network would be preferable.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/

The Travelling Public.......
 

So lets see....... No Shampoo, no toothpaste, no mouthwash, no deodorant, no eye drops....




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Now blue haired grannys from Omaha will need to buy $30 in toiletries every time they visit sister Erma in Milwaulkee.. We can all feel safer.

Making adults taste baby formula? Like baby formula doesn't taste worse than nitroglycerine? Truly, the terrorists have won. :mad:

Just how is a train better? Now you have to monitor how many miles of track in addition to the station?

We just traveled on the TGV from Brussels to Paris and back. There was no security. None.

For Air travel, we need to concentrate on finding bombs and not worry about the rest. No hijacker is going to take over an airliner with a Glock or a Samurai sword, let alone a box cutter or cuticle scissors.

I thought the WTC guys used box cutters?

They did. But it was the Airline proceedures that allowed them to take over the airliner. And the fact that the passengers cooperated. I don't know about you, but these days I think the passengers would take thier chances going after a terrorist no matter how they are armed.

No one can hijack an airliner with a box cutter today.

The restrictions will mean that overnight travelers will need to check their carryon which contain a shaving/cosmetics/bath kit. I do travel some and I would like to see carryon limits revised as some people have really pushed the limits.
Restricting electronic entertainment devices would mean I would need to get a hard sided case for laptop, headphones, camera, ipod etc to check it as baggage.
All in all we are tending back to the days in the 60's when the only real carryon was a women's purse, a man's hat and coat, and some item in a fancy bag purchased as a present.

Overall I think the Homeland Security views the arrests as an opportunity to enforce restrictions they would have liked to have established earlier. I am sure someone there has thought of how terrorists could hide explosives in artificial limbs and is just waiting for the opportunity to add that restriction.

For Air travel, we need to concentrate on finding bombs and not worry about the rest. No hijacker is going to take over an airliner with a Glock or a Samurai sword, let alone a box cutter or cuticle scissors. [/B][/QUOTE]

I wonder if they have stopped the fluids based on toe guys seperately carrying chemicals that mixed together would kill alot of people?

That is exactly it. Except it would be 3, two with the liquids and one with the electronic detonator disguised as something electronic.

I did a quickie search this morning on Google and 2 things came up: Some sort of liquid rocket fuel (not sure how easy THAT would be to make) and a de-classified Pentagon report (you have to pay to see it) on just these kinds of explosive. Supposedly the liquids are both clear.

Have you ever read Heinlein's "The Puppetmasters"?

Well, it would make it easier for women to breast feed on the airplanes.

At least the last one I saw (In first class, overseas flight) she kept a blanket over her while doing it. In France,we walked past a few women with babies attached. Can't they just get a big shirt and shove the kid up under it?

A train can be bombed more easily than an airplane, but bombing a train wouldn't kill as many people as bombing an airplane (the train car where the bomb is placed plus some more from the derailment, versus the entire airplane).

(I know there have been some high death tolls in recent terrorist attacks on trains, but those have been attacks on multiple trains, the deaths per bomb are fairly modest.)

I think they need to ban diet coke and mentos.

I think we should institute a 24 hour bean burrito and boiled cabbage ban prior to boarding.

+1:(

FWIW China began screening fluids a long time ago because of this possibility. They smell every liquid (obviously not as good as a dog) and have you take a drink.

Conspiracy on the part of all those airport-based convenience stores that charge six bucks for a four-pack of asprin, three bucks for a bottle of watter or ten bucks for a 3-pack of vibro-ribbed rubbers.

CONSPIRACY I SAY!!!

The CNN article said they were going to use a sport drink for a bomb? Like Gatorade?? How do you make that blow up?

If I told you, they would come for me...

Rick. Turn on any Fox news affiliate. It's there.

igniter.............flash from a camera. ABC NEWS 5 min ago

I read they were going to use some type of peroxide based liquids and electronic equipment, such as a camera flash, to detonate.

My son is flying from CA to VA on the red-eye Saturday night, and is bringing with him 4 frozen tri-tip roasts. Apparently it's a difficult cut of meat to find on the east coast.

Wonder what kind of grief he'll get going thru security with vacuum packed frozen meat?

I don't think it will get on the plane as hand carry. Have him pack it and check it as baggage. It's colder down below anyhow.

the terrorists have won.

so were at red alert and water is banned on flights.
:rolleyes:

if you had a bomb that required H20 to explode, wouldn't you just order some from the flight attendant? DUH!

in other news, the terrorist attack on Iraq by the Bush administration was not foiled.
2500 US Soldiers and 50,000+ Iraqis dead.
US tax payers defrauded in the Billions.
stay tuned for more...

Blah, blah, blah, shut up. At least save it for the political poo throwing threads. They were smuggling on liquids that LOOKED like water, that when combined and ignited make a bomb. Is it really that damn big of a deal? Take a drink before your flight, long flights provide drinks anway. I'm thirsty vs 11 planes explode over the ocean, boy it's a tough choice.

Anybody watch MythBusters last night? Pretty good timing on the topic.

"The Isrealis conduct an extensive interview one on one with every passenger. You are asked about your travelling companion (your answers are compared to theirs), your recent local itenerary (will be verified somehow), your reaction to 'stimulus questions' will be observed, your appearance and body language will be rated, your passport will be examined for previous travel, and the sum total of all of this is given a score. This is also done for aircrew. If you are on EL AL, it doesn't take much to get booted. There are 3 or 4 booted from every flight. Every flight. If you are from certain countries, or have visited certain countries, or even look like you are from certain countries, you are booted.

Hard to argue with success. Yes, profiling works. Not PC, but it works. Imagine it? It's coming."

I don't think our enemies could possibly make it any easier for us to spot them, could they? All the terrorists are Muslims and look like Muslims. So let's have 2 lines for the security check: 1 for Muslim-looking people and one for everybody else. All Muslims will go thru the Isreali procedure and .... oh wait, that would be discrimination. :rolleyes: We wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings!

That's actually not a bad idea. But why stop there, if we have seperate restaurants there'd be less danger of them blowing us up. And seperate bathrooms, drinking fountains. Maybe make them all sit in the back of the plane so you can keep a better eye on them. Maybe the lighter skined ones should be required to sew a symbol of their religion on their clothing. We could also tatoo a barcode or number on them to keep track of them.

And to really show em who's boss and instill the fear of god the rest of us can all wear bedsheets and pillow cases.

:rolleyes: