Leave that Shampoo behind

[red-beard]

I hope none of you are flying today. No liquids of any kind in your carry on bags.

And they are looking to ban electronic devices. No cells phones, I-pods or PCs.

Welcome to the new world!

[TerryBPP]

This is after a undisclosed terror attempt was foiled in Britian.

God forbid we be proactive on terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

[1967 R50/2]

Banning cell phones would be a mistake.

If I remember correctly that is how the passengers on United 93 were able to alert people on the ground and vice versa.

So it would seem to be useful tool in thwarting potential hi-jackers.

[RallyJon]

It will be pretty annoying to fly without a bottle of water to keep hydrated. This might not be so bad if there was some coordination with the airlines to provide "liquid" upon boarding. Fat chance of that.

[red-beard]

You can purchase one past the checkpoint, but no liquids through the checkpoint.

[turbo6bar]

How do the Israelis handle airport security? That's probably where we should be heading.

[red-beard]

I think pretty soon we're gonna have to strip before getting on the planes, and fly naked.

[singpilot]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
How do the Israelis handle airport security? That's probably where we should be heading.

The Isrealis conduct an extensive interview one on one with every passenger. You are asked about your travelling companion (your answers are compared to theirs), your recent local itenerary (will be verified somehow), your reaction to 'stimulus questions' will be observed, your appearance and body language will be rated, your passport will be examined for previous travel, and the sum total of all of this is given a score. This is also done for aircrew. If you are on EL AL, it doesn't take much to get booted. There are 3 or 4 booted from every flight. Every flight. If you are from certain countries, or have visited certain countries, or even look like you are from certain countries, you are booted.

Hard to argue with success. Yes, profiling works. Not PC, but it works. Imagine it? It's coming.

[Overpaid Slacker]

Hard to argue with success. Yes, profiling works. Not PC, but it works. Imagine it? It's coming.

Faster, please.

JP

[RickM]

Industry verbiage:

"U.K. Airports:

All passengers are permitted to put essential carry-on items into a clear plastic bag provided by the airport authorities. The remaining items are being placed in checked baggage. This practice will continue for the foreseeable future.



U.S. Airports:

These new temporary restrictions will be in place for every flight originating in the United States regardless of destination. Additional time should be allowed for the anticipated delays which will occur due to these new screening procedures.



As of 4 a.m. EST, Aug. 10, liquids are no longer permitted as carry-on items. This includes: lotions, toothpaste, hair spray, hair gel and beverages. These items are permitted in checked baggage.


Prescription medication labeled with a name that matches the passenger’s ticket will be allowed as will insulin and essential other non-prescription medications.


Baby formula will be allowed by travelers accompanying small children and infants; however, adult travelers may be required to taste the items in the presence of security officials."

[Seahawk]

I unfortunately fly quite a bit (the thrill has been gone for a long time).

In addition to the other fine points raised, a couple of things:

When you fly Saudi Air, every passengers hand carried luggage is hand searched as you board the plane on the jet way. Tables are set up, sufficient staff are in place and the whole thing goes smoothly. I have no issue. I think it should be done on domestic flights as well.


Limit the number of carry-on bags to one. Period.

Search/scan/open all checked baggage. Set the time limit for checked baggage to one hour before take-off.

I also do the eye scan service in/out of Heathrow. I would gladly submit to a background check if this technology was available domestically.

[Howard Agency]

Good post, Rick. Saves me a call.

[jyl]

Originally posted by singpilot
The Isrealis conduct an extensive interview one on one with every passenger. You are asked about your travelling companion (your answers are compared to theirs), your recent local itenerary (will be verified somehow), your reaction to 'stimulus questions' will be observed, your appearance and body language will be rated, your passport will be examined for previous travel, and the sum total of all of this is given a score. This is also done for aircrew. If you are on EL AL, it doesn't take much to get booted. There are 3 or 4 booted from every flight. Every flight. If you are from certain countries, or have visited certain countries, or even look like you are from certain countries, you are booted.

Hard to argue with success. Yes, profiling works. Not PC, but it works. Imagine it? It's coming.

This system is not practical for the US.

Each year in the US, 659 million passengers take 10.4 million flights. You want to do 659 million security interviews per year? At 15 minutes per interview, that's around 19,000 person/years. Translates to a force of around 150,000 interviewers including the attendant supervisory/support heads.

Air travel security in the US is going to have to come from technology and intelligence-gathering. El Al-style individual individual interviews are not realistically feasible. Building a high-speed rail network would be preferable.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/

[singpilot]

So lets see....... No Shampoo, no toothpaste, no mouthwash, no deodorant, no eye drops....

[gaijindabe]

Now blue haired grannys from Omaha will need to buy $30 in toiletries every time they visit sister Erma in Milwaulkee.. We can all feel safer.

[RallyJon]

Baby formula will be allowed by travelers accompanying small children and infants; however, adult travelers may be required to taste the items in the presence of security officials."

Making adults taste baby formula? Like baby formula doesn't taste worse than nitroglycerine? Truly, the terrorists have won.

[red-beard]

Originally posted by jyl
This system is not practical for the US.

Building a high-speed rail network would be preferable.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/

Just how is a train better? Now you have to monitor how many miles of track in addition to the station?

We just traveled on the TGV from Brussels to Paris and back. There was no security. None.

For Air travel, we need to concentrate on finding bombs and not worry about the rest. No hijacker is going to take over an airliner with a Glock or a Samurai sword, let alone a box cutter or cuticle scissors.

[Dottore]

Originally posted by red-beard
For Air travel, we need to concentrate on finding bombs and not worry about the rest. No hijacker is going to take over an airliner with a Glock or a Samurai sword, let alone a box cutter or cuticle scissors.

I thought the WTC guys used box cutters?

[red-beard]

They did. But it was the Airline proceedures that allowed them to take over the airliner. And the fact that the passengers cooperated. I don't know about you, but these days I think the passengers would take thier chances going after a terrorist no matter how they are armed.

No one can hijack an airliner with a box cutter today.

[stevepaa]

The restrictions will mean that overnight travelers will need to check their carryon which contain a shaving/cosmetics/bath kit. I do travel some and I would like to see carryon limits revised as some people have really pushed the limits.
Restricting electronic entertainment devices would mean I would need to get a hard sided case for laptop, headphones, camera, ipod etc to check it as baggage.
All in all we are tending back to the days in the 60's when the only real carryon was a women's purse, a man's hat and coat, and some item in a fancy bag purchased as a present.

Overall I think the Homeland Security views the arrests as an opportunity to enforce restrictions they would have liked to have established earlier. I am sure someone there has thought of how terrorists could hide explosives in artificial limbs and is just waiting for the opportunity to add that restriction.