Oh, I see. So it was the usual stuff he posts... :rolleyes:

A map of downtown Washington, DC and a photo of the Pentagon. A strange deletion considering.

Since at no time in the 20th century has "leave them alone" been the status quo, you're basing your assertion on what, exactly? Certainly not on any historical truth.

Only one country in the mideast has expanded it's borders steadily at the expense of other countries. I think you know which one.

Which side of what?:confused:

I am not a combat veteran if that's what you mean. I always convinced them that I was too important to risk.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...ool_shades.gif

Hey, it worked for me. :D

Attack the US government is not attacking America, please remember that.

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Where the H are the moderators that are supposed to stop this idiot?

Apparently you whined loud enough, they acted.

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I think it's time for him to go back to whatever hole he came from.

No, I think it's time we Americans took our country back from sociofascists and they advocates, apparently like you.

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I think you need to apologize to every American here.

Since I embody the essence of what it means to be American; a self sufficient country, great amounts of personal freedom, freedom from government, and a military that engages in self defense of Americans only, and never alligning itself with petty dictators worldwide and assorted other aggressive nations.

It is you who need to, not only apologize to America, but to do severe penance for your foul deeds and thoughts.

Really? Weren't you an intel guy in a former post...then a reservist of some repute?

Inquiring minds...

And who did you call "arty" in on? I thought you were against military intervention at any cost.

I was indeed, until I moved to a reserve unit closer to where I was attending graduate school, a combat aviation unit.

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then a reservist of some repute? Inquiring minds... And who did you call "arty" in on? I thought you were against military intervention at any cost.

As I've stated before, I am not a combat veteran. And yes, I support only defense of America, and no one or nothing else.

So you didn't mind taking the governments money (as a reservist to get the retirement check that no doubt helps out in Traverlers Rest) to train for a mission you didn't support? Scout helos don't deploy INCONUS.

You are a man of many angles, Pat.

Out of curiosity I wonder how many people here would go along with the idea of "Muslim" or "Middle Eastern" concentration camps here in the U.S. should muslim fundamentalists start ***** over here - like what we did to the Japanese-Americans in WWII.

I wonder how many of those same people know that there are between 6 and 7 million Muslims in the US? The practical considerations of incarcerating that number of citizens can't be overcome by a government borrowing what -- millions an hour? -- just to meet its current obligations

kinda like closing the barn door after Abdul has left the farm.

The internment camps are looked back upon as one of the darkest acts of this country. You want to go there again? There is a lot of talk of doing whatever it takes to "save the American way of life." Most of the measures suggested indicate that there is little left to save except for stuffing our faces with an Extra Value menu and buying a bigger LCD TV.

The terrorists have already won. Now I think we need to figure out what the next version of the country is going to look like. Because we can't go back to the "way it was." So let's call a spade a spade...is it time to nullify the constitution and close the borders?

What!?! Where in the constitution is closing our borders forbidden?

OBTW I grew up with the sons and daughters of those housed in WWII camps...to bring them up now is, well, pick your expletive.

When I trained with them, it was for the defense of America. If America were attacked, Scout helicopters in the Army would indeed be deployed within CONUS. Like many of my former colleagues in the reserves, they were caught up in the propaganda of Gulf War One, but many fewer of them are caught up in it now. However, the purpose of retirement pay is paying off for government. Quitting over objections of the state can cost you a pension for which you've worked for 2,3, or in some cases 4 decades. Very few can afford to flush that kind of investment down the toilet, so many of them suffer in silence until they can hit the retirement "silk".

Surely you know folks like these, or are you blind to it?

Not keen.

A significant portion of Muslims follow Islam as militant, poly-genocidal death cult. However, there is also a significant proportion that follow a version of Islam that is compatiable with Western civilization. We should be using such "moderate" (dictionary definition, not liberal, hand-wringing European definition) Muslims as a window through which to monitor and attack the Islamo-facists.

Just as the US had some outstanding ethnicly German and Japanese serviceman in WWII, we can make use of rational Muslims now. "Locking them all up" would lose us that resource.

Just curious Fastpat.
What's your definition of "defense of America"?
American personel (embassies, etc)?,
American interests (keeping sealanes open, etc)?,
American allies?,
American allies but only if they support crucial American military infrastructure (like Pine Gap down here)?
American territory?
or are you talking about not "defending America" unless you have MiGs shooting up the runways at JFK?

My brother's in the RAAF. Next time he's evacuating burned American civilians from a Bali bombing I'll let him know that he only signed up for "the defence of Australia" so he doesn't have to bother.

Excellent post and idea. This is how the British approaches the increase in Islamic religion inside G.B. While some say the current liberal parliament has sold out to those of Muslim fate, others believe that while there has been a sell out, it is with the intent to find out what they are all about by befriending them, observing them to converge in their own rallies/groups, etc., and above all communicating with them. This, in large part, was how the British were able to thwart 8/10. They were "deep" under cover.

Pity goes to us Americans for not being able to see the forest for the trees. We have a dangerously self-centered ideal of our Christianity existing far and above all other religions, and with that, a high-handed belief that we should not communicate with any other religion, aside from Judiasm, but done so to appease Israel, or so it is beginning, in earnest, to seem.

We could take a page from the British playbook as the only effective way to fight radical Jihadist terrorism, but we believe it is our God-given right to not communicate with individuals of a different ideological fate as if they are some sub-standard species. No, it doesn't take, as our ill-informed president suggests, wiretapping, Homeland Security, and a host of other intangibles. It takes true detective work and double-agent stuff, which the U.S. seems incapable of doing without ratting out its own spies (i.e. Valerie Plane), or relying on computers, spreadsheets, U.S. dollars going to Iraqi payola, and an assorted other ineffectual means to a pipe-dream of an end.

But, when it comes to the first-hand information gleaned from first-hand communication, we aren't able to allow ourselves such a stoop as to talk to with "Islamofascist" terrorist as Bush likens to call them. :rolleyes:

No.

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American interests (keeping sealanes open, etc)?,

No. I suggest you read the US history about the start of this practice, a very bad precedent set long ago.

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American allies?,

No, I follow the George Washington recommendation on this one.

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American allies but only if they support crucial American military infrastructure (like Pine Gap down here)?

I have no idea what that is, but it's not relevant, the answer is NO.

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American territory?

Yes, with limits being the States united only. Until Constitutional changes reduce that.

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or are you talking about not "defending America" unless you have MiGs shooting up the runways at JFK?

To what fantastic movie scenario do you refer? Red Storm Rising?

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My brother's in the RAAF. Next time he's evacuating burned American civilians from a Bali bombing I'll let him know that he only signed up for "the defence of Australia" so he doesn't have to bother.

Fine.

Paging Dr. Freud! Paging Dr. Freud!

Thanks fastpat, that quote has clarified the amount of 'logic" you use, and the comment about medical evacs has clarified your humanity.

Now I understand you.

No, it's quite clear you have little or no understanding at all.