9/11/2001 should have demonstrated a key lesson, and it did for the intellectually awake; and that is that the freedom for the US government to act with impunity anywhere is wants to is over.

It's that these people who have been preyed upon for centuries by the west aren't going to take it anymore without striking back.

The answer is for we Americans to put a stop to the US governments worldwide hegemony.

Leave these people alone.

The people in charge of Iraq are are our de facto enemies. They are the same radical Muslims that we battle every day all around the world. The Shiite government of Iraq is closely aligned with both Iran and Syria, is controlled by devout traditional Muslims, and has repeatedly denounced our only true ally in the region Israel.

One of their most powerful leaders just organized a massive rally in support of Hezbollah. Thousands upon thousands of Iraqis marched through the streets chanting "death to America and Israel." They wore white shrouds signifying their willingness to become martyrs for Hezbollah, whose leader was on placards as far as the eye could see.

These are not the "insurgent" Sunnis. These are our Shiite "allies," who have already pledged to side with Iran in any conflict with the United States. Many of them lived in Iran for decades before being handed Iraq courtesy of American blood and treasure. They are now waiting patiently while we kill their Sunni enemies, whereupon we will have outlived our usefulness to them.

Next time you hear the words "finish the job," just remember that it's the enemy's job that we are being asked to finish.

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Sorry Pat, you're going off the deep end. "Leave them alone" is about as effective a strategy as "stay the course."

The only V. D. Hanson book worth reading, unfortunately, is "Mexifornia, a State of Becoming". The rest are, at best, the maunderings of some half educated lout. It's shocking that he's a professor at any college.

There had better not be a war with Iran, it would be less winnable than that in Iraq.

The US government military must be forced back to American soil.

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Ok, ya'll are helping me crystalize an idea on how to get out of this mess. First we bail on Irag. I don't like doing that because we said we would help those folks but it doesnt look like they much want any now that Sadamn is gone. The Sunni and Shiite conflict will heat to a boil. Civil war ensues and now Iran formally moves troops into Irag. /quote]
That's very unlikely. Why embroil yourself when you can pay the 2/3'rds of Iraqi's who share your religious sect to fight for you? The Iranians want influence, not more land. Acquiring more land via the method you suggest is a poison pill.

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The Saudi and other Sunni tribes move to prevent. We play both sides and sell them both arms and have CIA continue to stir it up if they seem to be coming to thier senses. Both will have to sell oil to US in order to continue the orgy of death. Now we have are sales and cheap oil. Whichever side wins will be decidedly weaker and the West can now walk in and conquer. Israel is in a tough spot. I think we can continue to prop them up for the duration. Israel should abandon less strategic areas and concentrate thier forces and population in a smaller area. They could also consider giving the Pals some land of thier own in order to deflect some on the Arab hate in order to allow the Arabs to hate on each other. The struggle within Islam is a great motivator and an Achilles heel to the Arabs. Use the hate to divide and conquer. Vote Bivenator in 08

In other words, do the same thing that the US government has been doing for the last 80 years?

No, that needs to end, and end quickly.

The Ottoman Turks were kicked out of the ME in 1918. Centuries? The West?

:confused:

The last two failed Crusades were bloody disasters that killed hundreds of thousands of muslims. Napoleon's invasion of Egypt killed hundreds of thousands of muslims.

Really, do read your history.

The last two crusades were almost a thousand years ago! Napoleon we can blame on the French.

Preyed on for centuries? Please, by their fellow Muslims - the Turks. And it is about to happen all over again as the Iranians take over..

Yeah, VDH is a lout. You'll pardon my skepticism that your curriculum vitae is even a shadow of Mr. Hanson's.

Naturally, you've read all 16 of his books, including those on Hoplites and ancient Greek warfare, in order to come to this informed opinion. Admonisions you compulsively dole out about "reading one's history" notwithstanding, of course.

Have you just given up any hope of having a shred of credibility?

I imagine that would be liberating.

JP

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I'm disturbed about your choice of targets. Could you find one further south where it won't do any real damage? Call in your fire mission. :cool:

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Start here and work north, but not too far. We don't want to harm Maryland.
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My God, Beauregard, that crazy bastart wants to bombard Virginia!

Eustice, and right next to General Lee's home. Sheeyit! Get a rope.

Pat, respects to a fellow arty guy. See action in Laos or Cambodia? :D

Nosir, I'm a former Scout Helicopter guy, not a real arty guy. I jes called them in.

Pearls of wisdom from Pat, but...

As long as mothers are willfully strapping bombs to their children, there will never be peace.

Pat, ya didn't answer, which side?

I for one, am tired of seeing fastpaster advocate attacking America. Could you be any more dense? Advocating the very thing that the enemies of this country are trying to do as we speak.

Where the H are the moderators that are supposed to stop this idiot?

I think it's time for him to go back to whatever hole he came from.

I think you need to apologize to every American here.

I missed the image Fastpat posted, but was deleted. Can anyone give me a hint as to what that image was?

Was aiming at the Pentagon and Washington memorial if memory serves.

Perhaps he should just have a "down (preferably by bombing or shooting) with the government, they're all imperialistic commies" statement that he could paste every time he wanted to reply to a thread.;)