"The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon"

[Rodeo]

President Bush: Thank you all. I want you all to know -- it [bullhorn] can't go any louder -- I want you all to know that American today, American today is on bended knee, in prayer for the people whose lives were lost here, for the workers who work here, for the families who mourn. The nation stands with the good people of New York City and New Jersey and Connecticut as we mourn the loss of thousands of our citizens

Rescue Worker: I can't hear you!

President Bush: I can hear you! I can hear you! The rest of the world hears you! And the people -- and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!

Rescue Workers: [Chanting] U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

What's happened since that day five years ago?

How did our unity and strength at that terrible moment morph into division at home, animosity overseas, and quagmire in Iraq?

And when did the country decide that it was no longer necessary for Osama bin Laden to "hear from us?"

[tabs]

Hate to tell U Rodeo, but GW Bush doesn't represent the Conservative faction in American politics nor the American people as a whole, but is merely a Lackie of the Corporate Ruling Class.

GW or any Presidnet for that matter would have to pursue a war on Terrorism, because the war is about Capitalism and the Corporate Business structure. That is the avowed enemy of Islamofascism, because they see Capitalism as the great corruptor of the soul . Now why Iraq, it was the onlyvisible target available for a Bureaucratic driven Military to strike. There is no discernable benchmark of success in chasing a will o wisp target like Bin Laden in Afganistan.

So to get to the heart of this war, the question is can Liberals do without the corporate system which provides goods, services, R&D, Technology and an economy of scale which generally provides an opulate life style for the great majority of Americans.

[930addict]

Originally posted by Rodeo
President Bush: Thank you all. I want you all to know -- it [bullhorn] can't go any louder -- I want you all to know that American today, American today is on bended knee, in prayer for the people whose lives were lost here, for the workers who work here, for the families who mourn. The nation stands with the good people of New York City and New Jersey and Connecticut as we mourn the loss of thousands of our citizens

Rescue Worker: I can't hear you!

President Bush: I can hear you! I can hear you! The rest of the world hears you! And the people -- and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!

Rescue Workers: [Chanting] U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

What's happened since that day five years ago?

How did our unity and strength at that terrible moment morph into division at home, animosity overseas, and quagmire in Iraq?

And when did the country decide that it was no longer necessary for Osama bin Laden to "hear from us?"

When the idiot invaded the wrong country.

[nostatic]

thanks for reminding me...I need to order more ammo

[svonkampen]

If the White House really wanted to get Osama, we would have him ....

end of story...


How is it that you Bush lovers can't see that?

I'm a democrat, and I can concede that Carter was a terrible president.

So why can't you concede that Dubya stinks?



SvK

[Tobra]

Hmm, more of the same nonsense, carry on

[Rodeo]

Just reflecting five years later .... I encourage others to do the same.

[widgeon13]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Just reflecting five years later .... I encourage others to do the same.

I will reflect five years later as you suggest but my thoughts on this 5th anniversary are for the victims of this heinous crime and the surviving families.

I would hope that others will show their respect in a similar manner. I think we owe that to them.

[Rodeo]

I agree, we should remember the victims, and tomorrow is not a day for politics.

Standing atop the rubble, the president not only remembered the victims and their families, but also made a promise to America, also a victim that day.

His words are in the title of this thread.

We can reflect on those words as well.

[competentone]

Originally posted by 930addict
When the idiot invaded the wrong country.

Americans have a lot of problems with their geography (not to mention their understanding of modern warfare and the nature of the terrorist threat).

Take a look at a globe (or good map) and ask yourself where you'd want military assets positioned if you wanted to keep a country like Iran in check?

[jyl]

If our war in Iraq is keeping Iran in check, I haven't noticed it. Their nuclear program seems to be marching along.

[Wrecked944]

Originally posted by jyl
If our war in Iraq is keeping Iran in check, I haven't noticed it. Their nuclear program seems to be marching along.

America is currently in Iraq in order to prevent the government of Iraq from ever gaining power. Yes, we had some lovely elections there a few months ago. But infortunately, the Iranian terrorists won those elections. So now it is our job to keep our collective thumb on the Iraqi government to prevent it from merging any more with Iran than it already has. If we leave Iraq, then Iran will get control of the Iraqi oil fields and the critical ports to the Gulf. In effect, Iran will become a terrorist superpower. That is why we are in Iraq. The Iraqi people clearly support the Iranian terrorists and voted overwhelmingly to put their terrorist brothers into power. So we need to keep the Iraqi people powerless in order to contain Iran.

[alf]

Originally posted by competentone
...
Take a look at a globe (or good map) and ask yourself where you'd want military assets positioned if you wanted to keep a country like Iran in check?

Iran.

Which brings us back to the invading the wrong country bit that 930 mentioned. Actually , pre-Bush Iraq kept Iran in check nicely.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

In fact, the (failed) actions in Iraq seem to be what lit the candle under Iran's butt to get their nuclear program started and ramped up again. They see the U.S. role in the world marginalized, our power and influence on the wane and our alliances and respect among other nations weakened as a result of the conflict. They see the public at home overwhelmingly opposed to the action, soured on the bloodlust and tired of the endless parrotting of "9/11. . . 9/11. . . 9/11. . . war on terror. . . war on terror. . . war on terror" from the administration. They see our military spread thin, enlistments at record lows and other factors and say, "good time to thumb our noses at them and pursue our OWN agenda with minimal probability of reprisal".

If Iran does get a nuke, it very likely will be Bush's fault. . . at least partiallly - for leaving the door open for them to exploit the opportunity.

[930addict]

Originally posted by competent one
Americans have a lot of problems with their geography (not to mention their understanding of modern warfare and the nature of the terrorist threat).

Take a look at a globe (or good map) and ask yourself where you'd want military assets positioned if you wanted to keep a country like Iran in check?

It was a well known fact that Osama was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. If our highly incompetent government played their cards right, it is very likely that the "people who knocked these buildings down" would have been caught or killed by now. But no. Instead the idiot invaded Iraq in full force because A) Iraq was believed to be in the process of making weapons of mass destruction and B) Intelligence indicated that there was a terrorist training camp in Iraq. Pakistan has lots of terrorists training camps. Hell most middle east countries do. I'm sure southern Philippines has terrorist training camps too. The dumb a$$ bush administration did everything it could to tie Iraq with 9/11. Then recently I saw a clip of him at a press conference where he was asked by a reporter what Iraq had to do with 9/11. Bush's reply: "Nothing." I have the clip tivo'd.

[RoninLB]

this thread is almost fully packed with ass holes

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
...If Iran does get a nuke, it very likely will be Bush's fault. . . at least partiallly - for leaving the door open for them to exploit the opportunity.

So do you give Clinton similar credit for any Nukes that North Korea has developed?

How about the Clinton administration helping the Chinese build a better guidance system for their missiles (ICBMs)...poor Chinese only had missiles that were not accurate enough for a US strike before that. Sorta a social welfare program....on a global scale.

[930addict]

Originally posted by JanusCole
America is currently in Iraq in order to prevent the government of Iraq from ever gaining power. Yes, we had some lovely elections there a few months ago. But unfortunately, the Iranian terrorists won those elections. So now it is our job to keep our collective thumb on the Iraqi government to prevent it from merging any more with Iran than it already has. If we leave Iraq, then Iran will get control of the Iraqi oil fields and the critical ports to the Gulf. In effect, Iran will become a terrorist superpower. That is why we are in Iraq. The Iraqi people clearly support the Iranian terrorists and voted overwhelmingly to put their terrorist brothers into power. So we need to keep the Iraqi people powerless in order to contain Iran.

There was a good balance of power before we invaded Iraq. Saddam had the world fooled into thinking he had WMD's to keep Iran (and others) from atacking. So basically Bush's little war started this entire quagmire.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 930addict
There was a good balance of power before we invaded Iraq. Saddam had the world fooled into thinking he had WMD's to keep Iran (and others) from atacking. So basically Bush's little war started this entire quagmire.

So since Saddam had agreed to get rid of all his WMD to prevent his demise in the first Gulf War....what would you have done as President if you were convinced that he was a threat, had stockpiled WMD and had already proved that he had no problem using them....even on his own people?

[speeder]

Saddam was a major BSer/bluffer, this was well-known. Not saying that he was not a potential problem for us, but it was becoming more apparent by the day that he did not have all that we thought he did when the second wave of inspectors were making the rounds.

Personally, I think that Bush should have bluffed him right back, played him for a biatch w/ our troops in the region while we concentrated on Afghanistan and the other places where OBL might be hiding. We could have shown that we will hunt down the actual people responsible for any attacks on our country relentlessly, sort of like the Israelis did after the '72 Olympics, but on a bigger scale.

Instead, we showed that we have a leader with the worst case of ADD in the history of the world, he forgot all about OBL and AQ within months, (and before getting even close to catching OBL), and went off on a side track into Iraq. IRAQ?? WTF, dude? Keep your eye on the ball! Oh well, we can see how that all worked out. Better luck next time, I guess.

OBL and Iran are stronger now, we showed too much of our hand and now they know that we are not in a great position to fight a larger or different war at this time. Should have bluffed, everyone was fooled in our favor. President SFB and the neocon "brain trust" fuched themselves, and us.