Are we already in Iran?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
It's time to bring 'em home. Bring 'em all home and shut the gate behind us. With terrorists winning seats in the "legitimate" Iraqi government, the Taliban getting re-established in Afganistan, Lebanon harboring Hezzbola guerrillas, Iran beating its chest and defying the UN, Syria up to its usual shenanigans, it's time to leave. Physically and economically. Just step back, take a deep breath, and see where the chips fall.

I would bet once we are gone the whole region implodes on itself, collapsing under the weight of its religious zealotry and factionalism. It will re-divide along ancient tribal boundaries. There will be such instability that they won't be able to deal with their own problems, much less unite and focus on us as one. Then, and only then, the people might cast off the oppressive religious rule and start to see a better way.

With us still there, anywhere over there, their leaders have a rallying point. Visibly going into Iran will strengthen that. Dubya and company have made some serious errors in judging the nature of the Middle Eastern people, but they have had time to re-assess those errors. Iraq and Afganistan have been the "school of hard knocks". Going into Iran would prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that they didn't learn anything and were probably sleeping through class. I don't think I'm quite ready for WWIII...

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Of course this would drive up the price of oil but you know what? I don't give a damn. It's worth it. Perhaps when gas gets to $12 or $15 a gallon maybe the typical short-sighted dip***** out there will pull their head out of their ass and start realizing that, ". . . gee-whiz, I really AM part of the problem. . ." - and start changing their behaviors and consumption habits.

THAT would be real revolutionary change and open the door for a new era of American power and dominance - not because we think we can bully whomever we want with military or economic might, but because we are willing to take matters into our own hands and solve our problems OUR way at home and show the extrordinary adaptability and revolve we used to be capable of. . . once upon a time.

Until you, me and every man, woman and child in this country collectively decides "enough of this ***** - let 'em choke on their g-damned oil, I'm walkin' to work!" change won't happen. Certainly doing what you suggest would take us one giant step towards getting people there.

The side benefits/implications for better a better environment, attention/consideration to sustainbale choices and domestic prosperity through the creation of new niche markets, areas of research and development can't be discounted either.

Either pursue a visionary path like this with the potential for a great and prosperous future or "more of the same old *****". Those are our choices people. Long term it's going to be one or the other - no middle ground. The wise choice seems pretty obvious to me.

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Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
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Of course this would drive up the price of oil but you know what? I don't give a damn. It's worth it. Perhaps when gas gets to $12 or $15 a gallon maybe the typical short-sighted dip***** out there will pull their head out of their ass and start realizing that, ". . . gee-whiz, I really AM part of the problem. . ." - and start changing their behaviors and consumption habits.

Other than taxes, the price per barrel of oil will decline (over a short time) when the US government leaves the mideast.

THAT would be real revolutionary change and open the door for a new era of American power and dominance - not because we think we can bully whomever we want with military or economic might, but because we are willing to take matters into our own hands and solve our problems OUR way at home and show the extrordinary adaptability and revolve we used to be capable of. . . once upon a time.

Sure thing, as soon as we get the US government out of the way of the market, we'll be in wonderful shape.

Until you, me and every man, woman and child in this country collectively decides "enough of this ***** - let 'em choke on their g-damned oil, I'm walkin' to work!" change won't happen. Certainly doing what you suggest would take us one giant step towards getting people there.

Again, America is not dependent in any way upon mideast oil production. Europe is, India is, and China is. Let them deal with it.

The side benefits/implications for better a better environment, attention/consideration to sustainbale choices and domestic prosperity through the creation of new niche markets, areas of research and development can't be discounted either.

Petroleum use will not decline one iota as a result of the US government's departure from the mideast, it's likely to increase slightly.

Either pursue a visionary path like this with the potential for a great and prosperous future or "more of the same old *****". Those are our choices people. Long term it's going to be one or the other - no middle ground. The wise choice seems pretty obvious to me.

Our choice is to leave them alone, or continue to mess them up and stand the risk of terrorist attacks.