Forming my own government - Page 8

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Make some common sense proposals to reduce government intrusiveness, I'm with you.

No, you make them. Yes, in fact, I'd love to hear someone make a "common sense" justification for government.

Folks have been waiting on that answer for millenia.

Wrecked944 · 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
I mean, if it's not absoutely perfect, I should throw it away, right? Who needs a car if the passanger window won't go down and the sunroof leaks? Junkyard baby!

How will I get to work? Who knows, but I gotta get rid of that car!

Is that the Porsche you're talkin' about? I got room in the back yard if you ever want to junk it! I can fix the sunroof and windows!

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Not the same. Fact is, I pay Pat's retirement, so do you.

But it is paid in exchange for service, right? My government made a contract with Pat on my behalf. Pat held up his side and served me (and you) for the required time and now we are paying him as per the conditions of the contract. I'm actually pretty okay with that.

I laugh whenever I see Lendaddy's UserID. He may well be paying Pat's retirement - but only because Pat helped to keep him and his children safe while Pat was serving. Am I the only one who isn't troubled by Pats' retirement benefits? Am I missing or misunderstanding something? Pat, you served in the military and retired in good standing, right? I'm really baffled why people are bothered by this. A contract is a contract regardless of who the parties are.

Rodeo · 10-12-2006, 07:00 AM

In Patland, we don't fix what's broke, we throw it away!

The criminal justice system didn't get the Duke Lacrosse prosecution just right? Ditch the system! The people will investigate crimes, track down criminals, determine guilt or innocence, and punish the guilty.

How, exactly will we do that with no government? What am I Wickpiedia? Figure it out yourself!

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Not the same. Fact is, I pay Pat's retirement, so do you.

Actually, you don't. The fed takes money from those that work for them, keep it for the duration of their employment, be that civilian or military, without paying a penny of interest, and then pay them a certain portion of their full time pre-retirement income until they die. Then the money stops, there is no method to will the remaining funds to relatives or spouses. There are several types of federal retirements, both civilian and military, and you appear to know nothing of them. I'd recommend you get a little knowledge before you mention this subject further.

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As Pat states in his sig, they take that money forcefully from me. Then they give it to him. He's cool with that. As long as they don't take HIS money and give it me. That's what pisses him off

Since I've never made such a statement, you have no knowledge of it.

Rodeo · 10-12-2006, 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by JanusCole
I Am I the only one who isn't troubled by Pats' retirement benefits?

No, I don't mind feeding Pat either ... I just wish he would stop biting my hand

Rodeo · 10-12-2006, 07:05 AM

Pat, if you think there is some pool of money funding your retirement checks, you are in la la land.

I and Janus and lendaddy pay your retirement, in my case every two weeks like clockwork.

Wanna see my pay stub?

Wrecked944 · 10-12-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
No, I don't mind feeding Pat either ... I just wish he would stop biting my hand

I find that surfing OT with gloves is always helpful!

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
No, I don't mind feeding Pat either ... I just wish he would stop biting my hand

You're not feeding me and never have. As I pointed out, you have little to no knowledge of any federal retirement.

Rodeo · 10-12-2006, 07:26 AM

Sorry Pat, you're sucking off the tit and at the same time imploring us kill the cow.

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Sorry Pat, you're sucking off the tit and at the same time imploring us kill the cow.

I've told you the truth, you don't want to hear it, and that's alright. You're government will handle it for you, don't worry. Watch more TV.

gaijindabe · 10-12-2006, 07:43 AM

Really no need to form your own government. Governments we have enough of.

Just run for office in the govenment that exists now. Once you and your party are in charge - local, state, federal, school boards and etc - you can effect the changes you want.

The trick is getting elected.

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by gaijindabe
Really no need to form your own government. Governments we have enough of.

Just run for office in the govenment that exists now. Once you and your party are in charge - local, state, federal, school boards and etc - you can effect the changes you want.

The trick is getting elected.

Running for election vindicates the system, I won't do that.

M.D. Holloway · 10-12-2006, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by JanusCole
...Man, I really am amazed at how much heat poor Pat is taking for this. It is worse than what the 944 BBS does to newbies who ask "How do I put a turbo in my 944 N/A?"....

No offense to fastscat - what he is actually proposing isn't that far off base in that he wants less and less fed involvment and more local accountability. The problem is that the next thing is isolationism. Here in Texas, Tex folk truely believe that this state is the best. If given the chance Texas would really consder being its own nation. Try to find another stae with as much state pride as Texas? You would be hard pressed. The problem is, we don't live in a vacuum. The country needs all its states to be great. No other country is as great as we are. I defy anyone to id one that comes even close.

gaijindabe · 10-12-2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Here in Texas, Tex folk truely believe that this state is the best. If given the chance Texas would really consder being its own nation.

Once Anglo-Texans are a voter-minority they will be hanging on to the good 'ol USA like GI Joe with Kung Foo grip.

gaijindabe · 10-12-2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Running for election vindicates the system, I won't do that.

I am afraid you do not understand the nature of the people who populate these 50 states.. It could be improved but it is a system that by and large is supported by the citizenry..

Marx's old theorum of the withering away of the state just aint gonna happen.

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by LubeMaster77
No offense to fastscat - what he is actually proposing isn't that far off base in that he wants less and less fed involvment and more local accountability. The problem is that the next thing is isolationism. Here in Texas, Tex folk truely believe that this state is the best. If given the chance Texas would really consder being its own nation. Try to find another stae with as much state pride as Texas? You would be hard pressed. The problem is, we don't live in a vacuum. The country needs all its states to be great. No other country is as great as we are. I defy anyone to id one that comes even close.

Nothing would be lost to Texas if it were an independent country. It's statists and socialists that claim otherwise.

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by CS119laCoS
C'mon Pat, what happens next? I'm really trying to understand this.

I'm amazed, in some sense, that you're not able to see where this scenario would end. Do you really think that this question was only answered in the 20th century?

fastpat · 10-12-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by gaijindabe
Once Anglo-Texans are a voter-minority they will be hanging on to the good 'ol USA like GI Joe with Kung Foo grip.

How racist of you.

The truth is that the majority of surnames at the Alamo were Spanish, and if those families had a say, the state of Texas would indeed become an independent country.

Those Mexicans who've imported themselves into Texas have no legitimate voice at all.

rcecale · rcecale's Garage

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Originally posted by fastpat
How racist of you.

Those Mexicans who've imported themselves into Texas have no legitimate voice at all.

Well, well, well...

Hello, Mr. Pot! I'd like you to meet Mr. Kettle.

Randy