pulled from artplumber
Probably a west coast east coast thing. ;)

For the record execmalibu did call me and we had a nice conversation. (it was great of em to call so quickly after I posted) My offer has been accepted and the 15th is not that far away.
I am no Porsche expert so I will leave the keyboard quaterbacking and such to those that are more suited for that. I for one have seen one to many of these threads get this point and then no closure is presented and I am also curious as to the out come.
I will bring my video camera and tripod and catch as much of the action that I can. This is a track day for me and I will be flogging the shyt out of my 911 trying again to grenade it. :D I will post what I can soon after.
I do not believe that 165 will be seen by em and his 911 targa on this track. It may be the fastest track in the west but 165 at Willow seems like a stretch for non-track prepped car since the straights are not long enough. I could be wrong as I can see 120-125 at the end of the front straight if I exit 9 just right. 165 is doable in the back straight thru 8, but again I think a little more aero would be needed then this 911 has as to not fly off into the gravel. I am more curious about 8500rpm which will be able to happen consistantly at this or any other track and the "pull" of the engine can also be experienced by those willing to put a C note on the line.
If no one steps up then I will have Jack Olsen who is the Chief Instructor for these events ride along with em for several laps and verify the 8500rpm or grenading, which ever come first.

So again, em has said that he will show up and anyone willing to put a C note up can verify his claims as to rpm's reached and engine strength. If no one shows up to question the validity of this then I will call upon Jack O to take a ride. I will book the spots with OTR the end of next week for em.

I truely hope this works out as it would be nice to see one of these "yes it can, no it cant" threads be put to rest. ( I am sure it wont be put it to rest either way but it would be nice)

disclaimer- this will not verify a "stock" 2.4S motor in any way, only if em's engine can see 8500rpm's over and over without grenading and "pull as he has said and others have indicated. I am no mechanic or expert in early aircooled 911 engines and I have never stayed at a HIE!!! ;)

for those of you that have offered to help in terms of paying for the track day, lets just hold onto our wallets until the 16th of November.

Well whenever you monkeys get this sorted out...I got a VW 1.8T faster than both those cars.....

And I can prove it!!!

Scared the passenger a bit .... they lost focus and I do not recommend this on public streets. Get a nice Texas hiway!!!

So you monkeys that are full of talk...post up!!!

Heck, I bet MY SC Targa is faster than both those cars. But I'm not going to prove that.

Muhahahaha.

Don't show this to your teenagers!!!

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DAN 165MPH WILL NOT HAPPEN
 

I have no intention of attempting any ultra high speed runs.. 125-145+/- on the long straight is probably as much room as I will have before turn one..

The 165 MPH was 10 years ago in the open desert on a 5 mile long straight road with a loose NUT behind the wheel!

BEEN THERE DONE THAT!

8,500RPM and some very hot laps.. no problem!

Charles,

You keep beating on me about the inverted "SILVER BULLET" jet at 20Ft above the ground.. Please read the post again! That was not me! I was the lunatic driving the 930 Turbo..http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1160710892.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1160710944.jpg

Hey it worked!

Eric more photos..
 

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Re: DAN 165MPH WILL NOT HAPPEN
 

The back pedal starts..... what a jackass...

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TSUTER WHAT EVER GAVE YOU THE IDEA THAT I WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT 165MPH
 

I DIDNT AND WONT SAY THAT..

I am a mathematician, I didn't comment on the car before, just the math. I believe Bill V. (who ironically has owned a '72S Targa) has graduate degrees in both math and physics.

There's no need to comment on the car, there will be sufficient results after the track day. However, math and physics don't lie. Assuming proper gearing, identical aero, and a stock top speed of 143mph, to get to (a true) 165mph would take ~291hp.

But agreed, he could easily have seen 165 on the speedo; for instance 155mph could be attained w/ only ~242 hp, and a reading of 165mph but true speed of 155mph is only ~6% speedometer error.

dino nice
 

how does the v6 dino sound? i've only heard them in movies but i like the look.

Okay..16th of November. Dan, I'm posting this publicly so I can't chicken out...PM your address to me, put me down for $25. Way I figure it, it won't take too many others matching me to assure you won't be out of your own pocket. C'mon guys, we can do this...and even though my thrills will be vicarious ones through this board, it's well worth $25 to me!

Somebody set up a palpay account and I, like I am sure many others, are in!

But....the backpeddaling has already started.
Unless we are looking at REAL instrumentation...not some 30 year old bouncy tach, I'm not going to swallow 8500.

So...8500 ,,,,in 2nd and 3rd gears,

And, I refuse to bite on the BS about "I never said 165"....of course he did. We're not stupid, we know about tire circumfrence and gear change errors....you say 165, you MEAN 165, unless you add the word "indicated" or some other qualifier that states you haven't changed the speeedo gear to match the tire or gear change.

So....the speedo doesn't count for speed verification of any kind...we need a timing section or a radar gun to know whats really going on.

Otherwise it's just more bragging BS.

The claim is in the original ebay posting. And yes, he does essentially claim (by his vigorous defence against all reasonable arguments/questions about said claim) that the car is indeed capable of a true 165. Since we all know that speedometers can be in serious error (ie 10%) the original poster's question was posed and the whole can o worms released.

And by the way, why all the vitriol directed to those with genuine questions? The claims seem farcical. The further assertion that this motor happened to come from the factory a little better built (because he got lucky) to the tune of 90hp (a mere 50% increase from the stock number give or take) just adds fuel to the fire.

Am I some great Pcar mechanic or racer, no. But anyone with any sense has got to have some questions about the claims made both here and on ebay.

There are ways to measure true RPM...I hope this is done. Radar gun or GPS units for speed, AND ...those placing $100 on the visor? Bring lots of singles! ;) Is there an airport near willow springs?

For what it's worth, Marco (Mr. 914-6) I wouldn't get you, your dad or your dad's shop involved in any of this mess.

Enough crap has gone down concerning this car and this poster. If anything, you guys never built the motor, but on the other hand, you're standing behind it without knowing how it was built. That's risky IMO, especially as TLG has nothing to prove. I'm certain no one wants any additional reputations tarnished.

This is why a lot of other mechanics and shops who contribute to this board do not get in the middle of these affairs. At least four shops in L.A. come to my mind who I believe would avoid this thread like the plague that it is.

I could always fault you personally and socially about the company you keep, but that's your business, and just my opinion. SmileWavy

Re: Re: THE PELICAN GODS ARE WRONG AGAIN!...
 

How about we ask them to use goth chick in the ad for Execmalibu's car?

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I RELY ON THE INSTUMENTS.. IF YOU GUYS DONT THEM WE ARE AT AN IMPASS..
 

I made the statements that the car went 165 and that the engine pulls to 8,500 RPM based on what the instruments (gauges) read!

When flying IFR your are tought to rely 100% on your instruments or you will die.

Porsche gauges (VDO) are GERMAN made and are as accurate as any automotive gauge on the market. Perhaps not as accurate as modern aviation instruments (gauges) but probably very very close.

1) The tach in any 911 has an 8 (8,000) as the last mark on the dial. I let the needle go well past the 8 mark before I shift.. Is it 3MM or 4MM past I dont know because I cant measure it. I immediatly shift so the pointer is only there for 1/10 of a second +/-.

Now you guys might argue how do I prove that I am shifting at 8,500RPM and not 8,499 or maybe only 8,400 or maybe 8,525.. I dont know you got me there!

2) The Speedo in the car to both myself and Tony indicated around 168 MPH+/-.. Again there is only a mark at 160 and 170.. The needle was closer to the 170 mark. How fast was I going exactly?


There have been people who represent that they are Mathemeticians. They say they have done ALL of the calculations and they have the answer!

That is impossible!

They dont have all of the facts to input onto their equations!

1) They never had the diameter of the tires or final ratio of the trans!

note: The diameter of the tires is not static it changes with pressure and tempature and with tread-ware.

2) They never asked what was the temperature or elevation at the time of the run. Higher tempature and altitude means thinner air.

3) The most important factor NOT in their equation was that I was following closely behind two other faster cars (Slip Streaming/Drafting)... Any racer knows that drafting behind faster cars pulls you through the air with much less power required!

Please also note that I have driven past the radar displays on the side of the road that tell you your speed. When the radar told me I am going 80MPH I looked at my speedo and the needle was near the 80MPH mark.. Was it 79.5 or 80.2? I have no idea!


I have offered to bring the car out and to shift it well past the 8,000 mark on the tach..

If you guys are now going to question the accuacy of a Porsche tach as an excuse to go sideways.. Then we are at an impass..

If you bring instruments how do I know that they are 1000% accurate?

It is beginning to look like no matter how many people stand up and say "I was there and I saw it" that you guys will find an excuse to ignore the truth..

You're right, and this is going to be my last post on the subject as it seems to be becoming a slippery slope.

All I'm saying is that I've known the guy for 20+ years and I can say with certainty that Execmalibu isn't a liar. Reputable people have attested to this, and first hand experience has to count for something, right? :confused:

Enough of this nonsense. A date has been set. The Run-what-ya-brung, Put-up-or-shutup event of the century. November 15, 2006 at Willow Springs International Raceway. The Little Targa That Could takes on all comers. Does the topless blue bomber have what it takes to go 8500 and survive? Find out at what might be the biggest Open Track event of the year!!!



And, Klaucke, no hard feelings. I was just being facetious with my "mathematicians and physicists" comment.

Is there a 930 going to Willow Springs on that date? I read 10 pages yesterday and I skipped a few today but that was one of the other chalanges wasn't it?

wow while resting my weary fingers the TARGA that shifts at 8500PLUS RPM-does 165PLUS-eats 930 TURBOS for breakfast lunch and dinner, is coming out of the closet.

this will be cool!

MY WORK IS DONE HERE! thru sheer determination and hysterical laughter this is going to happen. and believe me, one and all, to see it, i will believe it.

im tired as hell of outlandish claims. if the car does what its advertised, then i will back malibuboy 100%. i just dont need name dropping and material wealth crap shoved in my face ever. im not hiding behind some goofy ass moniker on the computer,my REAL name is out there for all to see. i know a little bit about vehicles and some(not all) about porsches from working there when younger and presently. i too have an extensive racing background(big deal-just proves i can scare the hell out of myself and pay for the experience), but to make outlandish claims, is really not in the best of interest, for seller or buyer in this day and age of the computer.

if the car does whats claimed............it is the BEST THING HE CAN DO TO SEND HIS SALES PRICE THRU THE ROOF for someone who wants a documented go-fast giant killer! and i will back him. i applaud his willingness to belly up and prove once and for all his claims.

as soon as my bimmer buddy gets to work this am, we are making plans to show up on said date!

klaucke
"There's no need to comment on the car, there will be sufficient results after the track day. However, math and physics don't lie. Assuming proper gearing, identical aero, and a stock top speed of 143mph, to get to (a true) 165mph would take ~291hp.
But agreed, he could easily have seen 165 on the speedo; for instance 155mph could be attained w/ only ~242 hp, and a reading of 165mph but true speed of 155mph is only ~6% speedometer error."

This statement doesnt take into account wind, A tail wind of 20mph could off set the required HP. As well as the density of the air.....

And then there is the Human element..... HU on the elemental chart

This is coming from the Aviation side of the house.....

I also stayed at a holiday inn express last night......

That was one of the best lines in this whole thread!

remember the lambos of the 80's they were sooo fast but that was top end they were turds off the line. So unless there is technolgy and eveloution involved something has to be given up either low end or top end you can not have both. I see the back pedal I know how these threads get out of hand . I know that everybody can type out to be a tough guy. I also know a challange has been excepted. I can't wait to see the end result. Do I believe this car probably is fast YES. Do I believe it goes north of 135 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! If its beating 930's it beating them low on in the lower gears. I don't have 100 cars or bikes and have endless cash nor the fastest car on the planet but What I see going on is the stroy and deal is changing already so I am giving my little bit of worthless info and opionion and you take it how you will .. Good luck to all be safe and lets see the end results.