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daepp 10-17-2006 07:48 AM

Can anyone write anymore?
 
Can anyone write anymore? Is anyone else appalled at the poor level of grammar, punctuation and spelling today - esp. on this site? And I hate to say it, but it's especially prevalent amongst the young "posters" to these pages.

I know there are some who like to use "IM" writing, but I'm not talking about that.

And I am not without fault myself of course - and we can all make typos when we types with speed, but I'm afraid it goes way beyond that. And to think, in my neighborhood the public schools are spending a little over $10,000 per child - for what?

Grumpy Misanthrope

charleskieffner 10-17-2006 07:50 AM

this here tipic has bin britched befoe!

LeRoux Strydom 10-17-2006 07:51 AM

Re: Can anyone write anymore?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by daepp
....And I am not without fault myself of course - and we can all make typos when we types with speed..........
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:D :D

I actually agree with you. There was another thread about this topic a few days ago, which resulted in dropping the popularity index of rammstein considerably on this board.

RallyJon 10-17-2006 07:52 AM

Yes, executives and management consultants can write and communicate very well. How do you think people with liberal arts degrees from Ivy League schools get such amazing jobs?

I have friend who started with a well known private consulting firm right out of college. Good school, but silly degree. But she was an excellent communicator and rose quickly.

People who can write rule the world, much to the consternation of those who can DO, but aren't very good at telling others about it.

charleskieffner 10-17-2006 07:55 AM

it twooly is unbeewee-vable!

svandamme 10-17-2006 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RallyJon
Yes, executives
you mean: they have secretaries

i've yet to meet any exec, who writes his own propaganda

Christien 10-17-2006 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by svandamme
i've yet to meet any exec, who writes his own propaganda
why the comma?






:D
(just stirring the pot!)

svandamme 10-17-2006 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christien
why the comma?

why not?


EDIT as far as i know , it's allowed

Parenthetical phrases in sentences may include the following:
Address: My father ate the bagel, John.
Interjection: My father ate the bagel, gosh darn it!
Aside: My father, if you don’t mind my telling you this, ate the bagel.
Appositive: My father, a jaded and bitter man, ate the bagel.
Absolute phrase: My father, his eyes flashing with rage, ate the bagel.
Free modifier: My father ate the bagel, chewing with unbridled fury.
Resumptive modifier: My father ate the bagel, a bagel which no man had yet chewed.
Summative modifier: My father ate the bagel, a feat which no man had attempted.
Any phrase that interrupts the flow of the main clause:
My father, chewing with unbridled fury, ate the bagel (free modifier).
My father, in a fit of rage, ate the bagel (prepositional phrase).
My father, with no regard for his health, ate the bagel (adverbial phrase).
My father, despite his lack of teeth, ate the bagel (adverbial phrase).
Years following dates (in American use): My father ate a bagel on December 7, 1941. (See #8 below.)
States following cities: My father ate a bagel in Dallas, Texas, in 1963.
In each case, the parenthetical (as if in parentheses) is both preceded and followed by a comma, unless that would result in doubling a punctuation mark.

EDIT2 , and even if it isn't , i can't be bothered, it's my 3rd language, and i'm better at it then some, if not many, americans :D

Christien 10-17-2006 08:15 AM

Really, I'm just yanking your chain :), but if you want get technical about it, it's a superfluous comma - there's no need for it. This page lays out the rules pretty succinctly:
http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/punct/comma.html

Basically, your sentence "i've yet to meet any exec, who writes his own propaganda" is one single complete statement, thus no need to break it up.

It's the old "Eats, shoots and leaves" thing.

cashflyer 10-17-2006 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RallyJon
People who can write rule the world...
I thought Bush ruled the world.

charleskieffner 10-17-2006 08:27 AM

kim ill jong lil dong NOW RULES THE WORLD.............silly!

cantdrv55 10-17-2006 08:28 AM

I work with an amazing woman who can charm any customer. She's eloquent, patient, a great listener and can really think on her feet. We don't let her write though because she can't spell **** and can't assemble a paragraph without run-on sentences.

cashflyer 10-17-2006 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cantdrv55
I work with an amazing woman who can charm any customer.
Big tits?

speeder 10-17-2006 08:31 AM

It is pretty appalling when grown people w/ HS diplomas write "could of had", or "piece of mind" w/o realizing the error. Good old public education, we could have saved a boatload of cash on them w/ a used copy of "Hooked on Phonics".

Christien 10-17-2006 08:36 AM

Ok, I know you're really going to want to kick my ass, :D but... there was no parenthetical phrase in your sentence.

Quote:

EDIT2 , and even if it isn't , i can't be bothered, it's my 3rd language, and i'm better at it then some, if not many, americans
Absolutely true, and the fact that you can even understand the subtleties of the comma use proves your excellent grasp of the language. I consider myself "almost" fluent in French, and there's no way I could have this conversation about such a nit-picking little detail about something in French!!!

Big Ed 10-17-2006 08:38 AM

Some people loose their minds over this stuff.

M.D. Holloway 10-17-2006 08:42 AM

Re: Can anyone write anymore?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by daepp
Can anyone write anymore? .....And to think, in my neighborhood the public schools are spending a little over $10,000 per child - for what?

Grumpy Misanthrope

Grumpy,
I write for a living - this is playtime. Now that is different than worktime. Work product is polished, focused, and well compensated. It is much like game day. Playtime (the OT) is a time for frivolous abandonment and a joyous spew of rants, quips, and rebuttals.

$10,000 per student? Wow! I hope your hard-earned tax bucks are being watched. I know that our town leads North Texas in money spent and thank the good Lawd that our students get into more top-notch universities than any other school district. You best keep a close eye on that school board of yours. That is a lot-o-cabbage to fund a kid that cannot spell ‘immigration’, locate Idaho on a map, or explain the transitive property.

M.D. Holloway 10-17-2006 08:43 AM

Re: Re: Can anyone write anymore?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Grumpy,
I write for a living - this is playtime. Now that is different than worktime. Work product is polished, focused, and well compensated. It is much like game day. Playtime (the OT) is a time for frivolous abandonment and a joyous spew of rants, quips, and rebuttals.

$10,000 per student? Wow! I hope your hard-earned tax bucks are being watched. I know that our town leads North Texas in money spent and thank the good Lawd that our students get into more top-notch universities than any other school district. You best keep a close eye on that school board of yours. That is a lot-o-cabbage to fund a kid that cannot spell ‘immigration’, locate Idaho on a map, or explain the transitive property.

(not saying that your school kids can't do that...)

widebody911 10-17-2006 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RallyJon
People who can write rule the world
You can steal far more with a pen than you can with a gun.

fumanchu 10-17-2006 08:46 AM

The improper uses of "there", "they're", and "their" kill me.

oh, and I ran spell check:)

nineoneone 10-17-2006 08:46 AM

roflmao

widebody911 10-17-2006 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fumanchu
The improper uses of "there", "they're", and "their" kill me.
Even better are gems such as "no holes barred" and "for all intensive purposes"

daepp 10-17-2006 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by speeder
It is pretty appalling when grown people w/ HS diplomas write "could of had", or "piece of mind" w/o realizing the error. Good old public education, we could have saved a boatload of cash on them w/ a used copy of "Hooked on Phonics".
Speeder - that's exactly what I'm talking about. They write like they speak - colloquially - and it's obvious they have no idea that they're wrong. It's as if they've never read anything, otherwise how do you explain "could of"?

M.D. Holloway 10-17-2006 09:08 AM

errors run amuck tither and yarn...

daepp 10-17-2006 09:14 AM

Re: Re: Can anyone write anymore?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Grumpy,
I write for a living - this is playtime. Now that is different than worktime. Work product is polished, focused, and well compensated. It is much like game day. Playtime (the OT) is a time for frivolous abandonment and a joyous spew of rants, quips, and rebuttals.

$10,000 per student? Wow! I hope your hard-earned tax bucks are being watched. I know that our town leads North Texas in money spent and thank the good Lawd that our students get into more top-notch universities than any other school district. You best keep a close eye on that school board of yours. That is a lot-o-cabbage to fund a kid that cannot spell ‘immigration’, locate Idaho on a map, or explain the transitive property.

Lubermaster - I realize that most write here for fun, and I'm not talking about simple mistakes, minor punctuation etc. I refer baack to Speeder's post - they have no idea how far off they are. They are not taking liberites for fun or speed or affect - they just can't write - at all.

And I do believe that Texan's probably, for the most part, do a much better job educating their children than Californians. And for reasons other than JUST academic, my children attend a private pariochial school.

widebody911 10-17-2006 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by daepp
Speeder - that's exactly what I'm talking about. They write like they speak - colloquially - and it's obvious they have no idea that they're wrong. It's as if they've never read anything, otherwise how do you explain "could of"?
I'm waiting with baited breath for an answer to that...

RallyJon 10-17-2006 09:21 AM

'bated breath? That's actually a hard one! I bet not 1 in 1000 Americans knows that baited breath is incorrect. Or that Shakespeare isn't just a screenwriter who works with Kenneth Branagh. ;)

craigster59 10-17-2006 09:22 AM

I helped my uncle jack off a horse.

I helped my uncle Jack, off a horse.

Notice the difference?

notfarnow 10-17-2006 09:23 AM

I make a good honest living off people who can't write, so I try be grateful instead of annoyed.

livi 10-17-2006 09:36 AM

I am relieved I have an excuse. You try writing in Swedish.

Jims5543 10-17-2006 09:42 AM

When it counts I right correctly. Firefox + Pelican = no spelchick.

I am a Land Surveyor by trade, we are supposed to suck at spelling its almost a prerequisite for the job. If I could spell and was smart I would be a Civil Engineer.

My friend has a 4 year degree from U of F in Land Surveying. When asked why he chose a 4 year degree in Surveying, he replied, "My guidance counselor told me I was too stupid to be an Engineer." --- True story, he was asked this question in a Surveyors continuing education seminar. Half the room roared with laughter the other half got really pissed. I laughed because its true.

When I need to write a letter I use Word and spellcheck, then I have my receptionist proof read it. When I am on PPOT its play time. Sorry.

notfarnow 10-17-2006 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
When it counts I right correctly.


;)

widgeon13 10-17-2006 09:54 AM

I certainly understand the worktime vs playtime concept of writing but I believe many don't make an effort to distinguish the difference. That is unfortunate. Many people could achieve greater success in life if they just took the time to spell check and proof read.

Unfortunately, they just don't care.

Jims5543 10-17-2006 09:59 AM

Jake - Done on purpose, notice Spelchick. ;)

I tried my best to spell correctly through the entire post without the aid of spellcheck.

widebody911 10-17-2006 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by craigster59
I helped my uncle jack off a horse.

I helped my uncle Jack, off a horse.

Notice the difference?

Depends on whether your uncle is a jockey, animal husbandry specialist, or a hit-man for the equine mafia.

cantdrv55 10-17-2006 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cashflyer
Big tits?
lol! She has C cups, I think.

Aurel 10-17-2006 10:21 AM

I could of check there spelling for them if them will repay me big buks otherwise astala vista, I`ll park my double wide some other place. Many pepole coud ach Ivy good carrir like myslef in Ivy league college and stuff if them would just dedicate the effort !

Aurel

speeder 10-17-2006 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Ed
Some people loose their minds over this stuff.
And others lose their mind over illiteracy in the U.S.

widgeon13 10-17-2006 10:54 AM

And we wonder why people can't figure out how to vote correctly.

They can't fuchin read and write.:confused:

930addict 10-17-2006 11:10 AM

I don't know about the rest of you but at least us Californians became illiterate honestly. What's everyone else's excuse?

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


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