Easy, you stand around at Home Depot, you get picked up, you work, you get cash.

But the vast majority though?

The vast majority? They get paid daily or weekly with CASH! You don't really think the Vast Majority of illegals get W-2s do you?

I want to make you guys aware of the figures we're looking at, I just looked it up. It's estimated 12 million illegals. That's a lot of tax evasion.

CS, this has nothing to do with my current position. I wasn't always an office girl (city, BTW). The only industry that IMO currently gets away with that (from your list) is probably agriculture and maybe hotels. I'm reasonably sure retail, etc., can't.....

Do you think it's possible there are that many employers hiring off the books to accommodate the vast majority of 12 million? It just seems unlikely that many employers are doing that to support the vast majority of 12 million.

Hugh R, read prior...I don't think any of us here knows how "vast" etiher way it is at this point. I never used "vast majority" to describe it. I'm talking about the unlikelihood of it being the vast majority based on the total estimated number of illegals. That's so much, with the IRS being the money whores they are, I don't think the vast majority of 12 million's employers could get away with that. Remember, they're not paying other taxes on that employee too (e.g., workers' comp, SS.....). I would welcome a study though.

But with regard to W-2s, earlier I was talking about an article I read where illegals get fake papers to get jobs. Fake papers means taxes. So yes, they would get W-2s, but just not in their real name. They just don't file returns.

Bingo.

CC:

I haven't been to Chicago in a long time. Do you have people hanging around your Home Depot, Lowes, U-Hual, etc looking for work? Where do they look like they come from? I know I didn't see any in Concord/Lexington, Mass when I was there a month or so ago. I just think your uninformed. Do you really think that the illegals (even a significant percentage) pay taxes, whether they use a fake SSN or not and don't file. Even if they do, if they make $15/hour for 2,000 hrs/year, that's only $30K/year, a very, very optimistic number. If their kids cost $7,000/year for school, how much are they really paying to put 1 or 2 kids through k-12? Add in police, fire, flood control, welfare, roads, and on and on and you can't convince me that they pay "their share". The fact is that the average working stiff doesn't pay his/her "fair share" its "the rich" the top 10% of wage earners who pay about 75% of the taxes. The average to working poor pay about 5% of the federal taxes. I may be off by a percentage point or two, but its about right. This is what ticks me off when liberals tell me that I'm not paying my "fair share" I want to strangle them. I pay more in state and Federal income taxes, let alone property, vehicle, gas, tire, income, telecommunicaiton, sales, tobacco and alcohol, etc. taxes than the average family makes in a year.

Stopping illeagals is very simple, cost almost nothing. Just cross check SS numbers. No match, no work. Without work they will go back to MeHico no cost to us.

As to the ones making cash at Home Depot, just a few sting ops will take care of that problem. Prosecute a few people who hire these guys, and wallah, no more problem.

This we cannot do anything about them is total BS.

I contracted with Home Depot for carpet installation. I called them and told them that the INS would be doing employment checks at my house, anyone not legal would not be allowed to work for me. They laughed at me, said they would use anyone they wanted. I stated that anyone that was not legal would not be allowed to install my carpet, period. they sent illegals anyway. One of them broke tile in my entryway, Not replacable, as it was no longer available. They denied it, of course, they even broke more later that day, denied that too. the bastards. Had to take them to small claims court, had to wait for the mexican, illegal, to come back from vacation in Mexico for trial. The sob judge gave me the price of several broken tiles, even though the entire entry way had to be replaced, due to the tile being no longer available. A few hundred bucks for a two thousand dollar repair. FUK the illegals, they LIE, they STEAL, they CHEAT, they bring their corrupt cultrue to us. FK them and let all of them go to hell. Deport ALL illegals.

Sorry if you did not notice that I am very pissed. This was not the first encounter with the lying bastards. They all LIE. Break someting, NEVER admit to it, blame the honkey bastard that employed him. If you have not encountered this , you will. They bring their corrupt culture with them. THe small minority that is competent, and honest, is not worth the larger corrupt, slimy culture they come from.

Mexico is a 3rd world nation for a reason, lets keep it there and not import it to here.

I am not racist, I don't know what race Mexicans claim to be, but I am very anti MEXICAN. NO MAAS MEHICO. Mexico is not a race, its a corrupt culture.

Tacos, Si, Mexicans, NO!

I thought you said you were having the INS do employment checks. So how did an illegal manage to damage your tile?

Only citizens of the US should vote. Ask the Linn County Oregon elections clerk for a ballot written in Spanish...he'll send you one in the mail, as long as you're a registered voter. Oh, BTW, you can register by mail as well... Funny thing here...I thought proficiency in English was a requirement to become a citizen. Matters not to Oregon politicians. IMHO, Chicago politicians could take election rigging classes from their Oregon counterparts...

Taxes? You GOTTA be kidding! If someone is already a criminal by being in the country illegally, do you really think that someone will worry about tax codes?

Bang,bang...............bang!

Hugh, I don't pay attention to peole hanging out at the local hardware store. I just know we have one of the higher concentration of illegals in the country.

I'm asking for stats. I don't "think" I know the answer either way, like so many others think they do. No stats have been produced here for any of us to determne anything like the statements made here.... I'm just analyzing the likelihood of 12 million people and their employers evading taxes. Seems unlikely, given Uncle Sam's zeal for tax recovery.

With regard to your own taxes, hey, I pay up the a$$ too. Additionally, I dont' get to write off kids like so many feel they're entitled to. Someone right here was literally bragging how they don't pay any taxes (or maybe very little) because they write off so much...... but that's a separate issue in itself. The statement proposed here was that the vast majority of illegals don't pay taxes.

You mention welfare. How do they apply for welfare?

Again, when I hear these blatent statements, these are critical-thought questions that come through my head. How do they all apply for welfare? Can people from one particular country not inherently be driven to work? We have a 95% hire rate here, to me, it's safe to say humans in general are inherently driven to work. How do all those employers get away with hiring 12 million people and evade taxes?

My current office position doesn't make me uninformed, my location doesn't make me uninformed (hell, the reverse if anything), lack of stats produced to substantiate these statements make us all uninformed.

This is in no way "defending" anything, I do not dig illegals coming here, this is me just analyzing the statements produced, and determine if it's even logical. And also, this isn't a black/white thing, this doesn't mean I think NONE do what you say....

Wait a minute? Is this thread about taxes? I thought it was about ventilating intruders? Somebody walks into my house uninvited….Taxes would not be at the top of my list. Hollow points would be. Well hollow points, and trying not to hit my dog that the intruder is flailing around with.

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LOL +1

Sounds like he was all talk....

I like the idea of having the "guest workers" saving Social Security for us.

Just send them all to Canada, eh. They'd be crying to go home to Mehico when it got really friggin cold.....

That's mostly propaganda from the Illegal Alien Support lobby.

Peruse Ed Rubenstein's articles for the truth on this issue.

While I do like the analogy, I don't think the solution will work. For one, when one invades your home, they are contained within 4 walls, you know for a fact it is that particular person who invaded. You can't walk down the street and just look at a person and because they have an accent, determine they entered illegally. If we didn't have legal immigration, then you could, but we do have legal immigration.

I'm guessing Snowman just needed the job done. We have to do things like take time off to get work done on our houses, but then to bicker with the people they send......

But I think Snowman is onto something here....why don't we take the issue into our own hands? But doing it slightly differently may be a little more effective.....

If you have work done at your house, when the workers come, politely ask their names. When they tell you their names, now ask for their papers. If they won't produce them, and the company won't give you proof, call not only the INS, but if you want action, call the IRS. Seriously, just think what we could do collectively if we all did this instead of not saying anything.....

Propaganda? LOL

Wanna see propaganda? Look at your link, not as an emotionally-driven person re: the issue, but from the outside, unbiased, neutral.

BTW, I don't see a single item in your link that addresses my statement.