Good thread, t6d - I'm totally jealous over your P-40 time!

For me, Boeing 727, Lockheed C-141A, T-38, T-37, SIAI Marchetti, and some misc stuff. Of all, I miss the T-38 the most; would do a lot(!!) for some more stick time.

Jim

Can you put that in perspective for a layman? I dont doubt its a high amount. What would fuel consumption be on say a 747?

Seahawk, great pictures! Thanks for sharing.

Jim727, OK then I am jealous of your T-37 and T-38 time, so there...http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/nahnah.gif Great resume.

To put that into perspective, a 50,000 thrust class engine at takeoff power at sea level burns something like 15,000 pounds per hour. But...THAT engine makes 20 times the thrust that the little GE straight turbojet engine makes.

Technology has come a long way.

Also, in case anyone cares to know one of the main reasons why jets need to get to high altitude and stay there as long as possible, jet engines are much, much more fuel efficient at altitude than down low and the aircraft is also typically 100 knots faster (in terms of true airspeed) up high, say 35,000 feet or more than down low, say around 10,000 feet.

T6d -

Does that mean I can grovel for an hour as copilot of your T-6 if I get to Oak Park and buy the gas and Guinness??

T-37 was fun aerobatics and a great instrument trainer, but the T-38 was a passionate love affair.

Really loved the C-141 also. Pic attached of 38088 which is now the museum bird (age showing here) at Travis AFB and which I last flew on the last leg back from my Deep Freeze missions. It's also the first C-141 into Hanoi (no, it wasn't 177 for the google-minded) for the POW return. They were kind enough to invite me out and open it up for me - felt great to sit in the seat again!

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Check Six.
Jim

Jim,

I have some friends who flew home on that bird. Spent far too much time in the Hanoi Hilton. Glad to see that its found a good home.

Nostril (what in the hell is your name!?)

Jet engines are like car engines in that they use less fuel at altitude. As Scott says, they burn a lot on takeoff and its the only time you use that high a fuel flow but once airborne you do not need full throttle unless you are climbing, in which case you are going higher and with each foot higher the engine burns less fuel.

The airplane I fly for a living now burns 3000 pounds per hour the first hour of flight, but that does include takeoff and climb. After 8 hours in the air we are down to 1800 pounds per hour so the savings once you start to burn off fuel and get light are substancial. The 9th hour its down to 1600 pounds but we are landing right after that as its almost bingo fuel by then.

Joe

Joe -

Love your office also! As for your friends who spent time in Hanoi, all I can say is HAND SALUTE! I really wanted to get one of those trips, but as you can imagine, rank came out of the woodwork. For the most part the guys I flew out were either in bags or on stretchers. That said, the airevac missions were trips where you felt like you were doing something really worthwhile.

The 141 was/is a great bird, and I'm doubtful that anything in the current inventory is really any better. There was an article in Air & Space about doing spiral descents into Baghdad and taking several minutes to do it. I can tell you first hand that a 141 could go from 16,000 ft to 1,500 ft in less than 3/4 turn. Have had one climbing at 10,000 fpm also - not bad performance for a trash hauler.

Glad to be a Veteran, just wish we weren't making so many new ones. Still can't get near The Wall.


Seahawk -

Great pics. Where was the island pic taken? Looks like the mother of all landslides behind.

Jim

Taken in Southern Leyte, Philippines in February, 2006 near the site of a massive Feb. 17 landslide on the island. Navy and Marines provided humanitarian assistance and disaster relief to victims of the landslide.

Friend of mine is the former CO of the squadron.

wow incredible picture! just in awe of how green and then the landslide. beautiful pic.

heres one of many i get to deal with when it comes in. we call it the "ruptured duck"! built 1943. total resto in vancouver.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1163162831.jpg

Jim, you come to Chicago and you and I will fly the 'six. Absolutely no groveling allowed! http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/nono.gif I will look forward to the Guiness afterword. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/pint1.gif

SmileWavy

With the early LearJets, the engines they used were apparently optimized for operation at 41,000ft., their flights didn't have to be very long for them to request that altitude (based on direction of flight of course) on their flight plans.

I know it's not an exciting point to make, but overhauling these used to be my job.

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thats how they make baby helio-choppers isnt it? or is that the DEATH RAY! lol! we have a F-117 doing flyby btwn 10:50-11:00 am tommorrow here in cave creek,az.(wild west days parade and drunken buffonary) used to work at HOLLOMON AFB. and watch goblins do touch and gos. was on flight line standing at the yellow line. was warned that really big german shepard would eat me alive if airforce policeman didnt kill me w/M-9-M-203-or M-16 if i stepped over yellow line. i could have spit on the wings. my camera will be ready tommorow for low level flyby pics!

I was aboard this type bird while in the military.

In early paint:
http://www.cradleofaviation.org/exhi...mohawk_ov1.jpg

And in modern paint:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/Mohawk-2.jpg

They were decommissioned in 1996.

Did you fly out of Gray Field? I drove around on it a bit during one of my visits to Fort Hood.

they are all down in tucson...........at the mothball yard. unreal museum in tucson. called pima air museum. right on south end of davis monthan afb. a must see if in the old pueblo. really rare, goofy prototypes. see the b-52 chopping block! whacks wings off of fuselage to abide by salt treaties. what a freeking waste! mile after mile of planes................PICK YOUR FLAVOR or ABCDEFG MODEL! it is really cool to see. plus A-10's in and out all day hitting barry goldwater gunnery range. love them wart-hawgs!

The Mohawk, right?

Got to sit in one, never got to fly one. I did get a backseat ride in the OV-10 Bronco, the Marine cousin, also decommissioned. Traded a ride in my Seahawk at Camp Pendleton...

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A pic of a Spacewalker II I helped a customer finish building. (why anyone would sink that much money (35K) into a Spacewalker II is beyond me)
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