The Only Thing to Use is Fear Itself

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Whew! For a minute I thought he highjacked your account.

Clinton was a crappy husband, but I'll always respect him as a father.

I think the fear angle has been the B2 admin's only tool for achieving foreign and domestic policy goals and electoral success. I hope it fails them this time. Time for bi-partisianship.

See, I have no problem with your above stated opinion and there is some truth to it. The only difference is that I am OK with using whatever angle it takes to keep the republicans in control as they represent my views more than the dems. Both sides use whatever they can to try and win as many votes as possible. Nothing new about that.

If fear works, so be it (but deep down I personally feel the right is and has been for quite some time, the strongest when it comes to defense).

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
but I'll always respect him as a father.

Because you saw him talking to his daughter?

There must be more to it Jim. Have a drink and tell us about it

[Moneyguy1]

Tim:

Just curious, coming from an independent:

Are Republicans the only people who have the knowledge, virtue, and wisdom to keep the country from going down the dumper? Are there not others who have some admirable characteristics?

Interesting, but after reading through literally thousands of posts, it appears that so-called "liberals" are more apt to vote for an opposing party than so-called "conservatives". I wonder why that is?

Where Rodeo has said that either party should be tossed out after so many years, one of our most outspoken "conservatives" stated that under no circumstances would he ever vote for a democrat. So which view is the more rational? BTW...I put "conservative" in quotes because most are CINO, not understanding what a true conservative stands for. Further, the conclusion that the current administration uses fear as a motivator cannot be denied. Like a wise man once said, Politics is emotion.

It is interesting anyway.

[Rodeo]

If Clinton had ceded control of combat operations to al Sadr, I'd be bashing him just as hard.

That's the difference between me and the Bush sycophants. First, they look at party designation, second, they take a position.

America second, eh guys?

[Jim Richards]

Step up to the bar, len.

Actually, it was clear that he was a nice father. Over the years, I've seen the way a lot of people act around their kids, and Bubba was on the positive end of the scale. You could also see it in the way Chelsea acted around him. Some parents get it, some don't. Bubba seemed to get it.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Rodeo
If Clinton had ceded control of combat operations to al Sadr, I'd be bashing him just as hard.

Bull***** !!

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Step up to the bar, len.

Actually, it was clear that he was a nice father. Over the years, I've seen the way a lot of people act around their kids, and Bubba was on the positive end of the scale. You could also see it in the way Chelsea acted around him. Some parents get it, some don't. Bubba seemed to get it.

Fair enough. I'll have another please

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
If Clinton had ceded control of combat operations to al Sadr, I'd be bashing him just as hard.

That's the difference between me and the Bush sycophants. First, they look at party designation, second, they take a position.

America second, eh guys?

Nothing even remotely close that has occured. Why do you fear reality so?

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
Bull***** !!

You can't even wrap your brain around that can you?

Explains a lot.

Just remember, party 1st, America 2nd.

[Moneyguy1]

Should party come before country? If so, Why? If not, Why not?

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Nothing even remotely close that has occured. Why do you fear reality so?

Oh ... a moment ago, there were "thousands" of potential reasons why we let this happen (all of them favorable to your hero).

Now it didn't happen.

You need help.

[Jim Richards]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Fair enough. I'll have another please

You got it!

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Tim:

Just curious, coming from an independent:

Are Republicans the only people who have the knowledge, virtue, and wisdom to keep the country from going down the dumper? Are there not others who have some admirable characteristics?

Our political system is what it is. So realistically speaking, on all but local level elections, I typically vote republican 100% because with the hope that republicans end up having the upper hand.

There are good and bad on both sides, but the reality for me is that 75% of the republicans platform is what I believe in and if they are in power, I know that they will do a better job protecting my interests and concerns. I have no problem with independants or even many dems on a personal level, but I have great disdain for many of the dems regularly scheduled programs.

9/11 and the war on terror has made it tough going, but the core republican values IMO trump the dems every time.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
9/11 and the war on terror has made it tough going, but the core republican values IMO trump the dems every time.

And can you enumerate those 'core values'?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Should party come before country? If so, Why? If not, Why not?

No, what a dumb question.

[Rodeo]

The 4th ranking Repub member of the House runs away from Iraq! Apparently she does not have enough Hancock types in her district.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As she fights for her political life, Ohio Republican Rep. Deborah Pryce distanced herself Thursday from the Iraq war, telling CNN Radio, "What's happening in Iraq is not a direct reflection on me."

The seven-term representative is the House Republican Caucus chairwoman, the fourth highest-ranking position in the House. She won re-election in 2004 with 62 percent of the vote. However, experts say her current race with Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy is a toss-up.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Oh ... a moment ago, there were "thousands" of potential reasons why we let this happen (all of them favorable to your hero).

Now it didn't happen.

You need help.

Sadr controls our guys Rodeo? No he doesn't. Reality sleep with your girlfriend in HIghSchool or something?

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by lendaddy
No, what a dumb question.

Of course it's dumb ... everyone knows that Bush comes before country. There are "thousands" of reasons why this is so, huh daddy?

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Sadr controls our guys Rodeo? No he doesn't.

Yes he did. He closed the checkpoints, deemed "vital" to the U.S. Military.

Guess you missed it, in all the Kerry-bashing excitement.

[Moneyguy1]

So Tim...

PRECISELY What is the Republican platform?

I have yet to be able to formulate a comprehensive picture, and God knows I have tried. If you claim that Republican = Conservative, I would have to respectfully disagree. Having been a Goldwater Conservative (probably the last national Conservative the country has had), I believe in conservatism, even though there are a few items upon which I lean a bit to the left.

So, what is the Republican platform? fiscal conservatism? social issues? Can't find 'em anywhere. They range all over the map, depending on which district you are in. Some Reps seem to be for this, others against the same thing. Some move lockstep with the prez, others want to distance themselves. So, how do the Reps differ form the Dems, who are accused of being disorganized?

Tis a puzzlement. I cannot, for the life of me, understand anyone stating that one party is in all respects superior to the other.

Enlighten me.