California Referendums?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

So aside from all the Congressional hoopla, has anyone heard whether or not the various referenda passed or not?

I suppose the more important question is, how many of them passed that won't be overturned in court a year from now like all the other ones that get passed?

[mikester]

Proposition - 1A Transportation Funding - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 4,801,859 76.58
No 1,468,357 23.42




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Proposition - 1B Highway Safety - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 3,849,546 61.26
No 2,434,255 38.74




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Proposition - 1C Housing Shelter - California 23533 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 3,614,062 57.49
No 2,672,894 42.51




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Proposition - 1D Kindergarten University - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 3,559,490 56.47
No 2,743,708 43.53




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Proposition - 1E Levee Repairs - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 3,989,123 64.01
No 2,242,795 35.99




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Proposition - 83 Sex Offenders - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 4,466,141 70.45
No 1,872,909 29.55




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Proposition - 84 Parks and Water - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
Yes 3,347,841 53.84
No 2,870,440 46.16




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Proposition - 85 Notify Parent - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
No 3,445,675 54.15
Yes 2,918,081 45.85




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Proposition - 86 Cigarette Tax - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
No 3,360,473 52.06
Yes 3,095,046 47.94




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Proposition - 87 Alternative Energy - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
No 3,497,273 54.61
Yes 2,907,185 45.39




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Proposition - 88 Education Funding - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
No 4,837,008 76.89
Yes 1,453,639 23.11




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Proposition - 89 Campaign Financing - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
No 4,634,581 74.42
Yes 1,593,367 25.58




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Proposition - 90 Eminent Domain - California 23601 of 25231 Precincts Reporting
Name Votes Pct
No 3,273,704 52.52
Yes 2,959,860 47.48


Can't wait to spend more money we don't have...

[sammyg2]

Oh, we don't actually have to pay for all those bonds, we will just use our credit cards.

Idiots. Where are they going to come up with the $100+ billion it will cost to pay back all those bonds? They surely aren't going to stop spending money on the crack mamas and illegal aliens. I guess they will just have to raise taxes.

Remember prop M? it was a hike in the sales tax to pay for rebuilding our freeways. Only problem is, it ended up in the general fund and the bleeding heart politicians in sacramento spent it on everything except what it was intended for. Now we vote to continue paying that tax (which will not do what it was supposed to do) and we vote for HUGE bond measures to pay foer what prop M was originally for.
How do these people survive, they obviously don't have enough brains to breath on their own.

[red-beard]

Originally posted by sammyg2
How do these people survive, they obviously don't have enough brains to breath on their own.

Well, obviously someone in California is voting for them. Or the e-voting machines have been hacked. or both.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I support bond measures more than I do new taxes.

With taxes, there's no incentive for responsible spending. With bond-backed initiatives (borrowed money) there is. It's like you or I going out and getting a personal loan, a mortgage, a car loan or buying something on credit. If you use the tool responsibly, it can work to your betterment. If you're a f*cktard and spend like a drunken sailor in a brothel, you'll pay the price for it in the form of slashed credit ratings, financial problems, etc.

The biggest problem with it is that some of the bond measures (and their implications, if the money is not spent carefully and wisely) will outlast the tenure of the politicans administering it. That's the real problem. To solve this, I'd recommend the same sort of criminal penalties that a corporate officer might be subject to for wanton waste, disregard, irresponsible behavior and misuse of his charge of authority - even after being removed from that position or retiring years later. Hold the politicans accountable - criminally - for their actions in office and you'll see an improvement.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Oh, we don't actually have to pay for all those bonds, we will just use our credit cards.

Idiots. Where are they going to come up with the $100+ billion it will cost to pay back all those bonds?

We don't agree on much. But I voted against all those props. The nonsense some believe that these will not need a tax increase is unbelievable. I used to consider my kids in this, but since they all voted this time, maybe the general populace needs a big fat tax to wake them up. Of course this will not happen. We will go through a bunch of cutbacks in other areas to fund these payments, and then more props to raise taxes to fund just those special interests caught in the crunch.


When will the governor and legislature ever do their job. Arnold is just as bad with his props.

[mikester]

The problem I see with these bonds is that they borrow an extreme amount of money, promise the world and deliver maybe 25% of it.

f'ing lemmings...

[Jim Bremner]

Just wow.

[Hugh R]

When I read that the state was still going to have a $5 Billion deficit this year, I voted against every one except 1A which required the state to actually spend the gas tax on roads, like we voted for years ago. "Pass a bond, don't have an increase in taxes" didn't anyone take econ 101 in this state.

[the]

Is there any spending/borrowing that Californians DON'T like?