My dad.

[Moses]

My dad is 82 years old. He's had a rough life. He joined the Marines at age 16 and was wounded twice at Guadalcanal and spent more than a year in and out of hospitals at wars end. He spent 26 years as an Oakland cop. He was shot twice, stabbed once and finally was "disabled" when his neck was broken by a pipe swung in anger. To say the man is tough is a drastic understatement.

At age 75, while remodeling his house, the managed to lift an 1800 pound glulam from the floor to it's resting place 9 feet higher. No hydraulics or block and tackle. He just lifted each end up 2" at a time. He hurt his back and had trouble getting around...for a few days. A week later he's on his roof rebuilding a brick chimney.

Fast forward to now. He's now 82. He drives a Dodge Ram diesel long-bed pickup. He somehow smashed the bed, so he bought a used one at a wrecking yard. He hauled it home, took off the old one and put on the new one. By himself.

I always have dad over for dinner on Sunday. Last night he showed up with a ragged bandage around his right index finger. I asked him what happened. Apparently he cut himself on the new pickup bed. I unwrapped it. He cut himself all the way to to the bone. How he didn't cut the tendons I don't know. Then he tells me he cut himself BEFORE he installed the new bed. He just waited for the bleeding to stop then pressed on with his project. His cut is now 2 days old and still needs stitches that he'll never get. At least he'll take some antibiotics.

I love this old fart, but he's making me a little crazy. He won't ask for help. I'd gladly help him with the tough jobs, but he never tells me what he's up to till he's finished.

How do you get a fiercely proud old man to be a little more careful?

[tabs]

Ask him where he'd be without the help of his Marine Buddys on Guadacanal?

[dhoward]

You're a lucky guy.
Nothing you say will change him, and that's a good thing.

[cantdrv55]

Once a Marine, always a Marine.

I hope my son feels the same way about me when I'm old and gray as you do for your dad.

I guess the only thing you can do is to be proactive and ask him what new projects he has lined up before he tackles them solo.

[rammstein]

Had to deal with the same attitude from our grandmother. Here's the problem- it is this very attitude that has kept them so alert, happy, and self-sufficient. We never figured out how to get her to ask for help. You basically have to keep a close eye and help without making it seem like help.

[KFC911]

Originally posted by dhoward
You're a lucky guy.
Nothing you say will change him, and that's a good thing.

Moses, he sounds a lot like my 88 year old grandfather (WWII vet) who passed on last year....they don't make 'em like that anymore!

[rcecale]

Originally posted by Moses
How do you get a fiercely proud old man to be a little more careful?

You don't!

Look at it from his perspective. Whatever he's done, however he's done it, has worked for him for 82 years. What could you possibly do or say to convince him otherwise.

Keep in mind, this is a man who stared death in the face at a very young age, and lives on today to talk about it...if he so desires.

Richard Pryor said it best, many years ago, "You don't get to be old by being a fool."

A belated Happy Birthday to that Marine. We all could learn a thing or to (or twenty..) from him.

Semper fi!

Randy

[red-beard]

He sounds like my dad. He was just a bit too young to enlist for WWII (4-5 years younger than your dad), but he is the same. Farm kid from North Texas. No Hospitals nearby. If you cut yourself, you bandaged it and got back to work. No one else to pick up the slack.

The only problem is he is not getting to the point (At 78) where he can't lift things anymore. You sound like you have a great dad and be happy and hope he is around for a long time.

[stomachmonkey]

Same as my old man. Old carrer military guys are tough m'fers.

Which is the problem. You find out about problems way too late. My dad passed away in August. His affairs were not as neat and tidy as I had imagined they would be. Finally got the probate paperwork last week, almost 3 months after he passed. In the meantime I'm hemoraging cash like crazy on funeral, lawyers, the house, helping out his girlfriend etc...

First ten days he was gone cost me $10,000.

I know it's not the way he wanted things to go down but when they get old they think they know everything and don't want to burden you so they start to do stupid stuff, all with the best intentions of course.

I encourage anyone with elder parents to FORCE them to sit down and go thru all thier paperwork. At minimum get someones name in trust on the bank accounts so you can immediately shut off the financial machine after they pass away or you end up with a mess.

Sounds cold but it's a reality, nightmare that I've been dealing with for a while now.

Scott

[pwd72s]

Moses, you honor and love him...above all else.

[Flatbutt1]

[i]
How do you get a fiercely proud old man to be a little more careful? [/B]

You can't without damaging the essence that makes him so proud. You might try to find out what he's up to and then just happen to show up at the right time. "Mind if I give you a hand Pop?" Then he'll proudly say "Look what me and my boy did"

[DavidI]

Moses, your father is the type on man who makes this country so great. I applaud him for his service to the country, to Oakland, and to the grittiness of the "can do persona!"

I love that unrelenting and uncompromising virtue. You cannot change him even if you wanted. It is what makes him....him.

David

[dd74]

Good to see real tough men still exist in this world. Sadly, they're getting edged out in favor of wimpy, emasculated so-called men whose main concern is their manicures. Or maybe that's just the lion's share of who I happen to know (and not get along with) here in L.A.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Moses
I love this old fart, but he's making me a little crazy. He won't ask for help. I'd gladly help him with the tough jobs, but he never tells me what he's up to till he's finished.

How do you get a fiercely proud old man to be a little more careful?

My wife accuses me of the same. As for your father, mine was the same until mom started falling and he noticed he can not get up if he fell. He started relying on me more then.

You probably need to swing by more often. Good luck

[Don Ro]

Originally posted by tabs
Ask him where he'd be without the help of his Marine Buddys on Guadacanal?

Good one, tabs.

Sounds to me like he gets great satisfaction out of tackling jobs/tasks that other folks would ask help with.
IMO, that is precisely what gets him off - if you will...getting results where the universe gives "normal" folks very little agreement. Sets him apart...gives him identity.
.
Tough old buzzard, he is.
Reminds me of the independent pioneer spirit where I was raised - North Dakota.
The good news for you is that he's still around.
.
My g/f: "Where are all the real men these days?"

[rammstein]

Originally posted by flatbutt
You can't without damaging the essence that makes him so proud. You might try to find out what he's up to and then just happen to show up at the right time. "Mind if I give you a hand Pop?" Then he'll proudly say "Look what me and my boy did"

Exactly. This is the only thing that will work. You get to spend more time with him too. Good for everyone.

[Superman]

Thank you for the story Moses, and the reminder.

You lack the ability to change this man, and you should also lack the desire.

While it is true that he will not live forever, in the meantime he will LIVE. Much more so than most.

It has become apparent to us that you are cut from a good bolt of cloth. We knew that already.

[mikester]

Originally posted by tabs
Ask him where he'd be without the help of his Marine Buddys on Guadacanal?

best response ever.

He's a Marine, he should follow orders if they are from his superior (generally speaking). Of course, you're his son - so you're *NOT* his superior.



Marines are awesome.

[bigchillcar]

great story, moses..great dad..you're lucky.
ryan

[livi]

The generations brought up without all the commodities of todays lazy generations. We have them in Sweden too, you know. My mothers father was one. Died 98 years old out of misery, six months after his wife died. They were married 78 years! He never complained about anything.

Also reminds me of a patient I met during my internship. In Sweden there is generally a big difference in tolerance for sickness and pain between city dwellers and the tough country folks.

So, one night on call at the ER, in comes a real character from out in the woods. About 17 years old. Big, bloody, dirty bandage around his left hand. After removing said bandage it is apparent that he has managed to cut two finger clean off chopping wood. The guy had walked into the ER.

" Why didnīt you call for an ambulance ?? Maybe we could have made a transplant if you have the cut off fingers with you."

" Donīt bother, I have looked for them all morning. Couldnīt find them."

"What do you mean all morning...???"

"Well, you see, this happened last night. Was too dark to look for the fingers until this morning. And besides I only came by here as it still has not stopped bleeding....."