I agree - too may cameras and obviously edited out some. No water or fuel spills from the crushed car either.

I believe that's the voice of the narrator for the PBS "Frontline" TV show.

You should watch the show and learn something.;)

Go here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/
And you can watch the entire show online. The clip of the car getting crushed is from part one, just a little before 7 minutes in.

The clip as at appears on youtube was unchanged from the PBS documentary.

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Take a very good look at the video. Here are some highlights from my notes:

Take a look at the arch(es) in the background. There are two of them visible at certain points throughout the video. There are times when only one is visible. At times it has a solid facing on it. When there are two visible, both are down to framework, neither with a solid facing. At about 00:20 they zoom in on a soldier and a framework arch is visible behind him. Prior to that, the only arch visible has a facing. When the camera returns to behind the Iraqis at about 00:22, the solid arch re-appears.

The crowd of Iraqis changes composition. In some views, there is a guy with a white hat, and another with a plaid shirt. These guys are visible when the solid arch is visible. They dissappear when the framework arches are shown, to be replaced by the kid, and what looks to be his dad behind him in the yellow sleeved shirt. In the opening moments of the video, up to about 00:25, the crowd changes along with the state of repair of the arch. It's clearly the same location, but it appears to be different days.

The car itself also appears to come and go. It is visible as being lined up with the near post of the building in the background when the Iraqi crowd containing the guy in the white hat and another in a blue shirt is present. When the kid and his dad are in the picture, there is no car, and you can see well down the building at about 00:13.

Anyway, I'm certainly no film expert. It does look like this has been edited and/or compiled from several tapes. The crowd changing personel so quickly (with changes in camera position), the state of repair of the one arch changing, the car changing position at least twice.

Ummm, the soldiers in Iraq have video taped some of the most horrendous things imaginable, you were aware that the Abu Graib events were on tape as well as still photos. The US government is prohibiting release of the videos because of their inflamatory nature.

Re: Re: Re: US Army crushes man's car
 

I am correct, that video is ancient, and was right after the invasion.

I even know the story behind it, which obviously, you do not.

Those poor abused Iraqis you are carrying on over were caught by their fellow Iraqs, and had looted LOTS of things, not just firewood.

The Iraqis flagged down a US unit, and after some discussion between the elder Iraqi present and the US onscene interpreter acting in concert with the US commander(a 1st Lt Company XO IIRC), it was decided that they'd run over the car in public as a message to ALL looters that looting will not be tolerated.

See, if you remember the background, the entire country of Iraq was being looted to the bone. Looting that, in reality, did about 300% more damage to Iraqi infrastructure than the actual invasion did.

A big part of the problems that we ran into subsequently were a direct result of the nation-wide unchecked looting.

So there, now you actually know the story.

I'm aware of all of that, Pat. Take another look at this video and see if you saw what I did. It looks pieced together to me, and far too professionaly shot to be some soldiers' home movies. Like Super_Dave_D points out, too many camera angles; a lot edited out.

It tries to give the appearance of being a streaming flow of events in relative real-time. I'm saying, by the apparent changing state of repair of at least one arch, the changing Iraqi subjects, and the changing position of the car, that it looks a great deal of time has elapsed. Like long enough for the arch to have taken more hits.

I know our guys over there have commited atrocities. I'm sure that has been the situation in every war ever fought. The ones that have need to be rooted out. Conversely, no one needs to add to the story by faking a video and ad-libbing their over-dubbed point of view. Like Sonny Barger used to say about his own club, "the truth is bad enough".

That is a professionally shot video by a journalist and film crew.

Ah yes, without liberal revisionist history, none of us would have an inkling about how wrong we are about everything.

What WOULD we do without all that guilt.

Hmmm.....

Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Clear and Imminent Threat
Regime Change.
Freedom for the Iraqi people.

Revisionist history? Thanks for the laugh.

I rest my case.

You ought make one first.

Pot calling the kettle black huh? You always like to come along after the story and try to spin it your direction. When are you going to make your case?

The video has already been proven to be not anything close to what the poster tried to spin it as, yet you keep trying to jab the knife in the ribs of the soldiers. Brave boy you are and sure your tree hugging friends will appreciate all the risks you took in your feeble attempt to help. Unfortunately you guys lost the argument but still do not realize it.

Yeah I agree waaaaaaaaaay too many camera angles and too professional.

-Found em in small quantities, and oh yeah, they very much did have a "rapidly re-constitutable program", or so the UN said after the war before they high tailed it the hell out of there. In case you'd forgotten.

-Iraq was a clear and present danger for years, and we were in a de facto state of war with them(started by bill clinton BTW) EVERY DAY since 1998.

-Toss Saddam? Done.

- They have freedom, even if they are totally misusing it.

Got some serious neo-con cool aid drinkers in these here parts.......

Sure we do tree liberal boy, sure we do.

"tree liberal boy" ?

You got the wrong guy man.

There are wackos on both sides. Here in Seattle we have some liberal WACKOS. I'm mean honest to goodness nut jobs.

I don't care for 'convservatives' or 'liberals'. But on the whole, conservatives are more fun to hang out with. :) Not to often I head off to the range with someone who also happens to be a PETA member.

I am as much neo-con as you are earth first then. :)

We have better Whiskey as well. :)