Dag, and i had a mental image of you climbing some mountain in Tibet or something!

Thanx for filling in the blanks for me bro. I saw him on Oprah or something, he really came off as a very happy man with a great sense of humor and inner peace.

I would love to meet him someday. :)

Nah..the only mountains I have climbed recently are the Rincons and the Catalinas down here. And generally by car.......

Life is so much easier when one does not take it seriously all the time.

Somebody once compared people to different types of material. A tree, for example is far more likely to survive a storm or an automobile because it can bend while a concrete post shattters. Not good to be too rigid in one's phiolosophy!!

Bob,

Try the Galiuro's down by Safford. Bassett Peak is one of the nicest climbs around and there is an old B-50 (cold war B-24) crashed on the Western side of the mountain ridge that is fun to poke around.

Joe

Factual education on Islam. Apparently you've never clicked on a single link of mine, or you'd know this. Moneyguy, the faith does teach tolerance towards others. The entire book is with regard to self defense ONLY. Things like suicide and rape are strictly forbidden in Islam. Jews and Christians have special status because we all believe in God. All you've been exposed to in the media is the "Pat Robertson's" version of Islam, the radical, extremist, and twisted version. In the last 40 years, these nutsos have taken over certain governments. Sharia isn't supposed to be what we see in Saudi. It is mostly an individual, personal guideline for Muslims to follow, not this ***** we see in Saudi.

Ever read Catcher in the Rye? Remember that one paragraph that Hinkley shot Lennon over? If you take that one paragraph and post it here, you would totally not get the gist of the book...you'd think it was a violent murder scene or something. This is what happens when you take little snippets out of context. Unless you read the whole thing, you lose context.

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=6632 (another link that probably won't be clicked....)

If you really want your dream to come true (well, "world peace" is a pipe dream) but to at least be closer to peace, we need to realize what the problem really is, and throw our support behind the vast majority of good Muslims. This assigning of bad things onto the good ones will only make them cower even more than they already do at the hands of these barbarians who blasphemously call themselves "Muslim". Radical Islamists are a danger to mMuslims also, strategically it would make a lot more sense to work with Muslims to fight the same enemy.

Mark Chapman shot Lennon, John Hinckley shot Reagan.

So you're the guy who keeps calling every talk show in America, linking Chapman with Stephen King, I shoulda' known.

lots of lines CC, just where are those 'good muslims" I know they exist.
But sheesh what a quiet bunch..seem to be contend to let the 'bad muslims" speak& represent them.
Money tried,

Rika

C_C:

I relinquish the concept of world peace to you and your Muslim friends. May they come out openly and state for the entire world to hear that Israel and all other soverign countries as well as believers in other faiths have a right to exist. May these silent but good Muslims be courageous enough to publicly counter those who are bastardizing their faith by taking a stand rather than cowering in the corner, fearful of retribution by their more "belligerent" brethern. May they assimilate themselves into a society that has welcomed them rather than demonizing it for perceived slights such as those who loudly prayed recently in an airport, and then claimed predijuce.

I have stated it before, yet I will do so again...The Koran (which I have read and have a copy of) is subject to interpretation like so many other religious writings. Unfortunately, it has been interpreted in a negative way by some to support their philosophies. No, I have not read the Koran in its original language like believers say must be done....but ask your Muslim friends.....What IS the original language? You might be surprised at the answer.

It is sad when those who wish for some degree of understanding between "major religions" is pilloried for wanting that.

C_C: End of discussion on my part.....You are simply not open to any criticism or disagreement when it comes to this topic. Please consider opening your mind a bit to alternative possibilities.

Silent? You only hear the *******s. That's how the media is. Do you hear about people decrying spousal abuse in America? Barely, if you're lucky...usually around warm-fuzzy Christmastime. Do you hear people decrying other injustices in America? Barely, but boy do you hear about the dog kicked or the wife murdered. It's how the media is. Sensationalistic...that's what sells. No media likes "feel good" stories of decries. Just because you don't "hear it" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because you didn't "hear" blacks during the slavery days and 100 years after doesn't mean they "supported" it.


THAT, I agree with. It CAN be interpreted in a negative way, just like every other religion out there. Everything can be interpreted in a negative way, whether it's Catcher in the Rye or your corporation's HR manual or whatever.... Do you blame Catcher in the Rye? Do you blame violent videogames? ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE ALREADY, quit getting sidetracked on bull***** which does nothing to address the issue.

Arabic, I believe.

You sure don't present yourself as "wanting understanding between the major religions" when you villanize one in the manner you have in that last thread....and blame all the woes of the world on the religion itself.

End of discussion for you because it is in fact YOU who is not open to any criticism or disagreement when it comes to this topic. Most aren't. Any disagreement with their misperceptions amonghst others here is mete with "you're stupid, cc" or "you're not intelligent cc" or "you are X, cc" or "you are Y, cc", yet I don't see you chastising them for not being open-minded. You, well you just do it a little more cleverly. And moneyguy, have you even bothered to click on even a SINGLE link I've posted here and in the last thread? Even one? Did you read the title of the article? IF you're open to criticism and open-minded, surely you'd at least have friggin clicked on it for godssakes!~ It is you who needs to consider opening your mind for a change with regard to this topic.

I truly mean this..
CC have a great Christmas, enjoy your time with friends and Mom.
Don't drink and drive , have fun and see you in 07.
Rika

Oh, and I don't know where in the hell you got the idea I have a "concept" of "world peace." In my previous post, I said "world peace" is a pipe dream. I don't believe it's within the nature of the homo sapien.

Rikao, I wish the same upon you as well. I really do. This season should be about love and family/friends and if you're Christian, about the birth of Jesus. Sometimes we all get off track sometimes and we need to slap ourselves back into what is really important in life....and that's not the latest "XBox" for our kids or whatever material goods one desires, but health, love, family, and life.

My boss is going through radiation right now, and I've seen a priority shift in her. I have always held a great deal of respect for her and care for her a lot. Man, I tell you, when you lose someone, you can't get that hug or kiss or that shoulder to lean on, ever.

I wish that all remember what is REALLY important. And if you're already there, Rikao, God bless you and have a really happy time this season.

Oh yeah... slap me baby... slap me!!!

On a more serious note, your right about this season... My mom and dad called me earlier this week (me- forty nine, them -eighties) and asked me what I want for Christmas :rolleyes: I drew a blank. After thinking about it for a few days and talking to my friends and co-workers many who's parents aren't around anymore or they are flying all over the country to to see their family for a few days out of the year.

What more could I want than to have both parents alive and living fifteen minutes from my house.

While I'm waiting for this audio driver to download* I think I will call them and see if I can drop by for dinner.

Merry Christmas to all of you and let's not let this petty bickering have us forget that besides our differing opinions we all have quite a bit in common after all.

*FORTY FIVE MINUTES TO DOWNLOAD AN AUDIO DRIVER... WTF!!!

Ya know it's real, Scott.....

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And yes, we are soooo lucky to have our parents near us.....one day, I will cry for the moments I live now.....



On a more serious note...

Did ya ever get those damn drivers????!!!!!

Scott,

Lost both of my parents about 15 years ago. There is nothing like it when they are gone so please make sure you take loads of videos while they are still with you. Its nice to hear their voices and see them.

Joe

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