LOL.

I hate to point this out, but Wiki AGREED with him.

Kaffir is a derogatory term, regardless of your utterly naive perception of reality. :)

No darling,
just trying to hold you to account for the drivel you are posting and minimise the embarassment and ridicule you are causing yourself. I see that you are a lost cause and it's a wasted effort.
Jealous - the only thing you have that I am jealous of is your youth which ultimately is relative.:p

Isa...

Everone has a "hot button". When you find someone's button, no amount of logic or persuasion will change their stance, no matter what factual data are presented.

Personally, I wish all major religions would adopt a more tolerant attitude, realizing that, at least, there may be multiple paths to salvation. Until that day happens (if ever), people will rant and rave about how their persuasion is superior, even unto the killing of those who do not agree.

I am not in the least upset with symbols of any religion being displayed as long as they are tastefully displayed. I am not averse to greetings which mention a specific belief. To react negatively to a Christmas tree, or a minorah or the like shows a degree of intolerance and might I add an insecurity in the protestor's mind as to the superiority of their belief. (and I include Athiesm as a belief).

I remember seeing this thread and frankly I'm no longer even curious about what folks like Snowjob are thinking. I can see it is fun, in a WWF tough-guy sort of way, to tell everyone how brave you are and how easily these international problems can be solved. Just nuke 'em?

Give us a break from your testosterone and grey matter problems.

Aint that the truth! +1 on each point.

Mr, not so informed, Superman. If you have ever read any history of any nation, you will realize that sooner or later it all comes down to brute force, testosterone if you will. Our cultrue, pushed to some unknown limit, will respond with total, unrestrained force against whatever foe.

The uninformed, the ingnorant, people who do not know history, human nature, will allow every situation degrade until there are no options left, but total unrestrained force. You are the same ignorant people who will not permit measured force necessary to prevent the less desirable conclusion. You are in fact the ones responsible for the genocides, the nuking of people. You spout garbage about peace and restraint, yet their actions lead to total annihilation of people.

So SUperman, feel good about your ignorance, your tolerance, your the ones that will ultimately be responsible for the deaths of millions.

One thing that you might think about is that I am at the point where I almost could care less about how they feel about me and America in general.

WWF? Well, thats not me but if you are thinking that way then its way off base.

Solve the problems? Close the border and stop admitting all these people who want to come here for an "education" then dissappear into the masses to do whatever they want. Lets put a collar on them and track them until they leave the country again. Lets face it, when we have a case of "Mad Cow" in our meat supply we can track it down to the herd that it came from. Why cannot we do this with these terrorists who vanish 20 minutes after arriving on our shores?

Moneyguy, you haven't presented any sort of factual data. All you've presented is that there are SOME Muslim men who abuse their wives. You haven't even come close to presenting any sort of factual data that all Muslim men abuse their wives, or even most of the 650 million out there.

You absolutely refuse to click on any refuting link I provide, you absolutely refuse to listen to a real-live muslim (two now, one male, one female) that I've provided, it is YOU who will not change our stance, no matter what logic or factual data is presented, not me. I've spent a lifetime listening to the propaganda and attempts to learn of these people and break from the life-long indoctrination is a relatively a new thing in my life.

You're normally a logical person, and quite frankly, it surprises me that you'd be so foolish and illogical with regard to this topic. Not everyone fits into a neat little box, NO ONE. Not Republicans, not Democrats, not Christians, not blacks, not Asians, not caucasians, and you KNOW THIS, yet you take the illogical stance that 1.3 billion muslims are exactly the same. Illogical and smells of racist tendencies.

" The only thing that counts in the end is power, naked merciless force "

-General Ursus, Beneath The Planet Of The Apes, 1970

;)

C-C

I have dealt with members of the Muslim faith. I have never said that all Muslim men abuse women,,,that is a figment of your imagination. Yes, I am generally quite logical, and interested in just about what any group or religion has to say in defense of its practices. I am simply not convinced that Islam is united enough in its myrad divisions to be considered a truly cohesive belief system.

I am not anti-Islam. I am anti any group whether it be political, military or religious that has, hidden in its tenets a common thread of intolerance toward others who do not believe in the same manner. Some Muslim sects are more "liberated" than others, but that does not take away the room in the faith for extreme interpretations of the words of the Prophet (bless him and honor him). For many (and not all..please note the difference), Islam demands blind obedience and leaves little to no room for rational or individual thinking.

Factual data? What kind of factual data are you referring to? Where is your factual data? All either of us have to rely on is our own experience, what we are told, what we see, and what we choose to believe. All I wish for in this sad little world is that ALL religions admit the right of those of other faiths to exist, provided that all adhere to basic behaviors which would preclude the wished for destruction of individuals and groups that are "different" in ways that truly do not matter.

Is this so wrong? Would those speaking for Islam at high levels be willing to come out publically and admit for all the world to hear that Jews, Christains, Bhuddists and Hindus as well as other faiths have a right to exist in peace? Where ARE those voices? Who speaks for Islam with a unified voice? Should other religious leaders (and political leaders for that case) continue to apologize for their "affronts" to Islam while some who claim to represent Islam are permitted to do and say whatever they want in the name of Allah?

Yes, this seems to be your hot button. It is not mine. I am simply interested in some levelling of the "religious" field where leaders of all sects of all religions admit that others have a right to exist in peace.

Please read at least twice before responding.

pardon this..but right on the money,
sadly it aint gonna happen ,

Rika

My position on muslims is pretty simple, I don't want to bother them in their country, but will trade with them. I don't particularly want them here, and certainly don't think 100,000 of them ought be admited into America every year for permanent resident status pending qualification for citizenship.

Well said, Moneyguy. Bravo.

Well said Moneyguy!

Thank you.

I try very hard to hold no animosity toward any culture or religion. I only want them to respect my beliefs as I respect theirs.

BTW...I have met the Dali Lama and found him to be a most enlightened individual and as a friend of mine who is a Priest commented, "There is a truly Holy Man". It is possible for rational people to see the good in other cultures and beliefs.

I've read a lot about and by the Dalai Lama. I'm not qualified to say a Holy man. But he is certainly a great man. The world needs a half dozen leaders like him simultaneously!

Isabo:

I suppose it all comes down to the individual definition of "Holy". In my opinion, a person can be holy if their persona is committed to the goodness of people and free of hatred. A rare condition, I admit....

I think we'll need to hear the rest of this story. :)

Snipe..

He has visited Tucson a few times and had opportunities to speak publicly. I was lucky enough to get into one of his lectures and afterward meet him briefly. . Really; end of story. There was a aura of peace around him, but also a bit of a scamp in his smile. From what I was able to ascertain, he has an excellent sense of humor, quick to smile and unafraid to laugh.