USN conducting massive buildup off Iran

[fastpat]

Originally posted by snowman
Land belongs to the victors. Just ask the american indians. The Jews now own land legitmately lost in the past two wars of aggression by the arabs. Thats the way war works, the victor writes the rules, and thats why Pat is wrong and the south will never rise again.

If anyone nukes someone and that anyone is not a major player, then some major player will nuke the country that initiated the whole mess. Why? Self preservation. A strong message that using Nukes is not acceptable. MAD will assure the major players will not initiate action among themselves On the other hand a major player using a nuke on a small country, the consequences are anyone’s guess. I suspect strong world condemnation and not much else.

I am against war, but if war is necesary I say use Nukes or whatever means to win, win big, and to lose no americans doing so. War is war, not a game. Is anyone REALLY going to argue with a country that just wiped another country off t he face of he earth?

Ask the country that built the Colossus of Rhodes.

Or, better yet, here's a poem:
Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said -- "two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert ... near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lips, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my Works ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by fastpat
[B]Yes, it was Palestinian land. Just how do you think it became land belonging to Jews from europe?

Judiasm is a religion, not a nationality or source of geographic origin. The Torah "gave" the Jewish people the land of Israel, i can therefore hardly blame them for thinking it is theirs. And of course they DID live there in ancient times anyway.

Israel belongs to the jews as far as i'm concerned, if for no other reason than they took(or rather held) it like everyone else took theirs at one time or another- by force.

The good, ole' British and French gave a large part of Palestine to Jordan, that's correct, but that doesn't justify people from europe claiming a right to land that no one in their family has any connection to of any kind.

Historically the Palestinians are NOMADIC people, they had no 'homeland', but most of them wandered in the region of Southern Jordan, making that their 'historic homeland'.

Or so i understand the case to be.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by m21sniper
Judiasm is a religion, not a nationality or source of geographic origin. The Torah "gave" the Jewish people the land of Israel, i can therefore hardly blame them for thinking it is theirs. And of course they DID live there in ancient times anyway.

Then you don't know the difference in "Jews" then. Most european Jews haven't a drop of Semitic blood running in their veins, that's why they're called Ashkanazim, most are Germanic, Slavs, or from the Caucasus. they had no more right to that land than you or I do.

Israel belongs to the jews as far as i'm concerned, if for no other reason than they took(or rather held) it like everyone else took theirs at one time or another- by force.

The Germans were put on trial for asserting and acting under the same rubrick you state above. They were convicted for the most part.

Historically the Palestinians are NOMADIC people, they had no 'homeland', but most of them wandered in the region of Southern Jordan, making that their 'historic homeland'.

Or so i understand the case to be.

That's not true either, many had homes hundreds, and some thousands, of years old. Where do you get such nonsense, the neo-cons?

[snowman]

The Germans were put on tria because they LOST the war, no other reason.

[fintstone]

The Nurmburg trials were for actions committed against citizens of other countries which is how international law has been interpreted to protect...no one was tried for crimes committed against Germans including German Jews...as what a soverign country did to its own citizens was considered its own business.
That is why the Iraqis were trying Hussein and not us...for his crimes against Iraqis.

[Rearden]

Originally posted by fastpat
That's not true either, many had homes hundreds, and some thousands, of years old. Where do you get such nonsense, the neo-cons?

What a foolish statement. Show us a photo of a single home in "Palestine" that is 2000+ years old that was still inhabited in the 1940s. Do you believe the nonsense you type?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Rearden
What a foolish statement. Show us a photo of a single home in "Palestine" that is 2000+ years old that was still inhabited in the 1940s. Do you believe the nonsense you type?

That's not what I meant, and you know that. Families of Palestinians had occupied the land for thousands of years, how many houses were built and rebuilt on the land during that time is completely irrelevant.

[snowman]

Palestine is a totally bogus land of wet dreams by a bunch of bums that never owned anything. Take any slum and give it a name. Do the residents own anything? No they are just a bunch of derilicks living in a slum. Thats what Palistine is, a slum, nothing more, and the residents never owned anything to begin with, even in Roman times. They are a bunch of malcontents, pawns, being used by a bunch of arabs to further their own IDEAL of the world. They mean nothing to the arabs, they mean nothing to the rest of the world and they should mean nothing to the Jews. THey are just a bunch of scum that needs cleaning up.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by snowman
Palestine is a totally bogus land of wet dreams by a bunch of bums that never owned anything. Take any slum and give it a name. Do the residents own anything? No they are just a bunch of derilicks living in a slum. Thats what Palistine is, a slum, nothing more, and the residents never owned anything to begin with, even in Roman times. They are a bunch of malcontents, pawns, being used by a bunch of arabs to further their own IDEAL of the world. They mean nothing to the arabs, they mean nothing to the rest of the world and they should mean nothing to the Jews. THey are just a bunch of scum that needs cleaning up.

None of the above is true. The Palestinians were sold out, first by the Turks, but in a major way by the British. The US government aided the wrong side in 1948 it appears.