Pat,

Tell Mr. Beagle what should happen to our soldiers when.........Oh, lets say they raid a home of a suspected AQ cell leader in Baghdad.

And Go.

Bertbeagle, if you go pack to page 4 of this thread there is a link to what you are asking about.
Here's a direct quote from paste:
"These Iraiq Freedom Fighters have a job, George, kickin your ass out of Iraq. And, by God, they're doing a right fine job of it too.

Freedom Fighters of Iraq, POUR IT ON!"

His post encouraged the terrorists in Iraq to attack and kill US soldiers. No other way to look at it.
I have often wondered how long it would take for him to step over that fine line dances on so often. He is a sick man in need of help.

Actually, he only encourages the "Iraqi Freedom Fighters" to kick our asses out of Iraq in the above quote. That's all I read it as. He has repeatedly stated that he believes that the U.S. military should leave Iraq and the ME immediately, (that is not my opinion at this point, though we certainly never should have gone in the first place).

He is certainly no fan of the U.S. government, but considering the seriousness of accusing him of "calling for the death of U.S. soldiers", which he has never done here, I would at least let his words speak for themselves. Fintstone, for one, gets exceptionally indignant when someone here misquotes him or tries to infer even the most obvious meaning from his posts, always getting lawyerly about not putting words or thoughts in his mouth. (Keyboard).

Maybe Fastpat can clear this up, are you calling for the death of U.S. soldiers in Iraq, Pat?

Then there was: So while "kill the troops" isn't actually said, the statement is "any means at the disposal of the Iraqi's..."

Slightly straying from the original thread subject, are we ?;)

Anybody appointed the award yet ?

You sure about that?

No, I've never called for the deaths of any soldier unless convicted of war crimes and I have a problem with the death penalty even then.

I've repeatedly stated that no US soldier need have died in Iraq, because it was wrong to send them there, but no one can defend the illegal war they're engaged in either. If an invasion of a country is illegal, and we all know or should know, that the invasion of Iraq was illegal, then it is a war crime.

The bedrock issue is what would we do if invaded by a gigantic, ruthless, militaristic country "for our own good", to set us free, to give us a new type of government?

Should we do as fintstone and others suggest, welcome them with open arms?

Or should we remove them from our land as fast as possible by whatever means we have at hand?

What would you do?

I can think of no other way to interpret his remarks. Apparently no one else can either. Can you? Perhaps you can explain some other way the terrorists can "pour it on" and drive us from Iraq without killing our soldiers...of all people...you are the last one I would expect to defend such a remark.

Perhaps "applauded" would have been a better word than "called for".

Yes, I did a couple of pages back in saying it was "unanimous." I am not a regular here because I tend to get PO'd about some topics.
So, I had no idea one person has wasted so much time, energy and bandwidth as Pat. Actually, I sorta thought the thread would/could be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Not so.

I might make a new thread out of the following thought: I don't think OT forums should exist for the eclusitivity of a certain few who apparently have little to do with the Pelican forums as a whole. I do realize that certain things like a sudden appearance of 959 wheel at a tire shop has to land as a topic somewhere, so the OT forum takes up that function.

However, the Pelican OT forum has always been a sounding board for politics, religion, and personal attacks, none of which have anything to do with motoring or the motoring enthusiast.

To my way of thinking, politics belongs in a political forum and the same with the rest. I'm not saying that a reference can't be made, or the subject won't come up now and then, but to dwell on this stuff here on a Porsche and BMW set of forums is not the way I would run the show.

But, it's not my show, so all I can do is love it or leave it. As I said, I have a tendency to leave it.

One last thought: I know I've showed my ass many times here and on the 911 forum, but I've never seen so many asses shown anywhere than what I see here from many others. Kinda taints the way I see folks when I go to the public events. The WalMart thread forever changed the way I see Porsche owners. And here/yet they were making fun of Corvette owners. :D]

Same *****, different day. Everywhere you go. Even Pelican. Too damn bad.

I remember that one, Scott. Just this year. Right on.

Hey Milt
I just got your PM. Glad the dollies are working out. I'll see you Jan 1 bright and early

Steve

But I am not defending his remarks. You are making my point.

A refreshng change in pace. No, you won't see me. I'm going to OC. They won't know me there. :D

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Exactly, I remember reading Pat's original post and felt you guys were twisting his words a bit however I hesitated to call you on it for fear of being labeled a (fill in latest anti American slang term).

And I have friends in the armed forces that are in Iraq right now so I certainly don't wish any ill will toward our folks over there.

So I will ask you the same question that Speeder chose not to answer:

Well that makes sense.

There are far too many knee-jerk reactions to you, Pat, because of the sheer volume of stuff that you post. I generally appreciate your posts and the one above is surely non-controversial.

I mean how would you guys feel if some militaristic superpower invaded your country, destroyed your infrastructure, installed a corrupt puppet government etc etc? THINK about it.

Fintstone?? I mean if the Chinese invaded Nevada or wherever the hell you live and installed a proxy government because they thought Nevada might be harbouring weapons of mass destruction? You gonna be pleased with that?

What the F___ do you guys expect?

Pat challenges you to think outside of your collectively deeply-medicated and overweight, Fox News and CNN induced stupors once in a while.

The boy goes off the deep end occasionally when he's well into the cups - but who here doesn't? I think this forum would be a much poorer place without him.

Hat's off, Pat.

What kind of silly analogy is that? If we broke a cease fire with the Chinese and they subsequently defeated the US in a war (deposing a ruthless, murdering dictator) and then allowed us to have elections of our own government and protected us from terrorists while we rebuilt our country...promising to leave as soon as we asked...I would find it odd if a Chinese person (Pat) advocated the terrorist position and encouraged the killing of the Chinese soldiers protecting the poor folks in the US.

What do we expect? We expect Americans to refrain from supporting our enemies during wartime...WTF do you expect?

Then lets differentiate between "calling for" and "celebrating" their deaths.

Pat clearly feels that the greater good and the spirit of justice has been served when an Iraqi or insurgent kills one of our boys over there.

I can follow his logic too and I see how he got there.........but it doesn't make it any less fukced up to say it, people here have kids and family over there. It's like cheering on the bar thug that beats the **** outta your brother because he hit on his wife, even if your brother had it coming you back his ass up or at the very least you don't root the other guy on. Have a little tact.

Just as I thought, he advocates collaboration with enemies of America. finststone calls for accepting the ministrations of a benevolent dictatorship if it comes here for "out own good".

Status quo for a statist.

Your personal analogy doesn't carry over to governments. Governments aren't people.

I was talking about soldiers Pat, and they are very much people.

No, you aren't being truthful. You're loyal to government and could care less about people. You've stated as much many times. You're fintstone-lite.

+2 and then some. I've never understood those that have this buring desire to to burden others with their narrow-minded opinions. There are also social guidelines on the proper way to treat others with repect and being open to what they have to say. Pat hasn't read that book...

Whoever mentioned that we don't get his humor, I've never read anything close to humor from AssFat's posts......He's the only person on my Ignore list......

Same here...the only one on my ignore list too. Unfortunately he attracts so much ire that others repost/quote his drivel so I end up having to read far more than I would like.

That would have been me. I didn't say Ya'll didn't get the humor, I said I do. The humor is that I can see Pat sitting at his computer, drinking a glass of wine, laughing at how wound up people get by simply not agreeing with him.
heres an idea........don't read his stuff if you don't like him.
I like Pat, I don't agree with alot of his ideas but so what. I also don't agree with everything that comes out of my wifes mouth, and have happily disargeeing for 21 years now. :)

I've stated nothing of the sort. Fabrication isn't your style Pat.

Unfortunately, I wish to now retract my earlier statement from above. I see that he is up to the same childish nonsense as before (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/322371-ok-here-we-go-best-thread-06-nominations-please.html). It is truly amazing that for as many times as he has been 'shamed into the corner' by his own convoluted and discombobulated ramblings he still is adamant about always wanting to be right (or is it simply negative attention he is pursuing)?

I guess that some people simply cannot change nor grow up...

i still think tabs needs an avatar. can't we give him an Avataward?

Here ya go, crop overpaid slacker out make one for him.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1085123007.jpg

they both look like overpayed slackers to me ?!? :D

i didnt know i had to change or grow up for someone of your class and distinction. let alone the fact i dont work for you nor am i your neighbor or your servant. i guess i just dont give a damn scarlett! pompous/ignorant dont cut it......................just the facts!

please.......negative attention? when individuals w/no knowledge of a specific subject trash a post. seems to be the on going trend mit der kinder.

Who let the gimp out?

Perhaps you can tell us how you can give the Iraqi's "freedom and democracy" without killing hundreds of thousands of them.

Perhaps you can tell us how you justify killing over 650,000 people.

I miss Tabs.

Don't worry, as soon as he sleeps it off, the Tabsenator "will be back".

This thread has wasted alot of bandwidth!

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
And once again, pat sits, back, sips his wine, reads the responses and laughs.......
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From:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/322681-questionable-gerald-ford.html

Reminder of Wiki defn.
In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others

Hmmm....(?)

If I attempted posting political items in the Tech forum, I would indeed be a troll. Additionally, most of what I post isn't controversial to learned people. Most who find it controversial do so because it flies against their received "everyone knows it's true" knowledge.

For example, I want to have and have stated that the miklitary should be about 90% smaller than it is today. That's controversial to those who can't imagine a small military system in America, indeed I myself have never seen that, but my father did, as did his father. In fact, during all of the existence of America, a huge, threatening military has only been in existence during about 20% of the time, the other 80% saw virtually no or extremely small military services. That means that having a tiny military service shouldn't be controversial at all, but it threatens ideas held by others. So, to them, it is controversial.