Why were Saddams executioners shouting "Moqtada!, Moqtada!"

[speeder]

Prior to the U.S. invasion, the Baghdad morgue saw an average of ~50 bodies a month from all forms of violent death, presumably this would include poor souls who were killed by Uday and Qusay in their daily travels and left in the street.

In Oct. '06, 2650 bodies arrived at the same morgue. (An average month lately). This is in Baghdad alone. Does not include the other provinces. How anyone can not acknowledge that we have destabilised that country to the point of anarchy and lawlessness is simply beyond me; if this is the model for a neocon "success", I shudder to think of their definition of failure. If this is what "liberating" a country looks like, or the best they were willing to do, they should have left it alone. They were better off under the butcher, Saddam.

[fintstone]

Your statistic mean nothing if you are trying to compare what Saddam did to the current situation. First of all, most of those Saddam killed were not Baghdad...and would not have gone to the Baghdad morgue. The person he had killed en-masse were taken out into the desert and shot and buried on the spot. We have exhumed giant mass graves. I also imagine there were not enough remains of those he put in shredders or in vats of acid to actually send to a morgue. That does not include the millions that were killed in the Iraq/Iran war or those he killed when attacking Kuwait. As far as the current situation...sometimes things get worse before they get better. Many died in our Civil War too...I guess you could make the case that Lincoln destabilized the country also.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by fintstone
That does not include the millions that were killed in the Iraq/Iran war

well, those millions were sponsored by the US gouvernement.
it balances out... ask Rummy about that...

[fintstone]

I have...and they were not.

[Rick Lee]

The US gov't. and many others have taken sides in just about every regional conflict in the last 50-100 years. That doesn't mean whoever was president at the time was responsible for all those deaths. China supported Vietnam against us, but also supported the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, which Vietnam later ousted from power. Does that mean China is responsible for all the US and Cambodian deaths in the 60's and 70's? I doubt it.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
The US gov't. and many others have taken sides in just about every regional conflict in the last 50-100 years. That doesn't mean whoever was president at the time was responsible for all those deaths. China supported Vietnam against us, but also supported the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, which Vietnam later ousted from power. Does that mean China is responsible for all the US and Cambodian deaths in the 60's and 70's? I doubt it.

i beg to differ, if all the big players would have left the small players to figure it out by themself, they simply would have run out of money befpre they killed such large numbers

that goes for China/North Korea vs South Korea/US
that goes for China/North Vietnam vs South Vietnam/US

and the same applies for the Iraq-Iran war

i'm not talking about simply selling arms

i'm talking about funding thugs like Sadam with multiple 1 Billion dollar checks, billions that were aimed at achieving certain political and strategic gains in the Middle East, as well as generating jobs on the home front, the US weapons producers ( and in some cases those of "allies" the likes of Dassault , or Bull and so on...

so yes, i do hold the sponsors accountable for some of those millions dead, simply because they are...

this is age old Middle Eastern tribal warfar, with one big difference, the last decades they had access to money and a lot of fancy gear...

[nostatic]

Originally posted by svandamme


so yes, i do hold the sponsors accountable for some of those millions dead, simply because they are...

this is age old Middle Eastern tribal warfar, with one big difference, the last decades they had access to money and a lot of fancy gear...

yeah, but they look so *cool* in the gear...

especially when the upper management wears it:

[svandamme]

see, military flightsuits, usually make the wearer of the suit look about 45% cooler then the same person in any other clothing... except Dubbya... that's probably because he still does his imitation "i'm, a good ol boy from Tejas, just tamed a bronco with nothing more then a shoestring" - walk

[fintstone]

You guys are getting to be like Patsy...so jealous. Lots of GIs get cool gear...I have much of the same myself. Sign up and you will get some too....or do like Pat and other wannabes do...go to the Army/Navy surplus store and buy some used stuff. Pat did...and he looks much more manly to the neighbors cows. Of course maybe it is the towel he wears on his head to cover up the thinning hair when he does his jihadist rants that does it for him.

[nostatic]

I think it is 47% cooler, but my calculations might be off.

[fintstone]

I think so...I hear that local sheep are jealous.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by nostatic
I think it is 47% cooler, but my calculations might be off.

no , it's correct, i was using DIN , you were using SAE
it evens out to about the same thing with a 2% margin for error

time to send this thread off into the deep end ,
here's that 47% rule in an example:

[speeder]

How do you post a You Tube video here w/ the "play" arrow in the middle?

[svandamme]

Originally posted by speeder
How do you post a You Tube video here w/ the "play" arrow in the middle?

there's a link field on the youtube page
there's actually 2

one is a proper link to copy/paste called URL
the second one is labelled Embed

paste the embed one in the reply folder, and presto

[nostatic]

ahh, I found my error. my giveAratsAss constant was far too high. it was somewhat attenuated by the inflated selfImportance quotient though.

[svandamme]

lol

[Nathans_Dad]

The real question is, how do you say "Kingmaker" in Arabic?

[Rearden]

Originally posted by svandamme
well, those millions were sponsored by the US gouvernement.
it balances out... ask Rummy about that...

Why do you continue to post this erroneous information? Saudia Arabia and Kuwait were the chief Iraqi financiers in the Iran-Iraq war, also assisting were Qatar and the UAE. The Iraqis fought with Soviet fighters and tanks and AK-47s.

[nostatic]

How come Qatar doesn't have a "u" in the name? WTF is wrong with those people?!?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
The US gov't. and many others have taken sides in just about every regional conflict in the last 50-100 years. That doesn't mean whoever was president at the time was responsible for all those deaths. China supported Vietnam against us, but also supported the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, which Vietnam later ousted from power. Does that mean China is responsible for all the US and Cambodian deaths in the 60's and 70's? I doubt it.

US deaths, no; Cambodian deaths, yes, without doubt.