Possible to unit Darwin and Christ ?

[trekkor]

It should not be overlooked, however, that the modern, scientific classification of what constitutes chewing of the cud provides no basis for judging what the Bible says, as such classification did not exist in the time of Moses.

Always read before posting...

-We share the bones/blood/hair/muscles and all other physical elements that comprise mammals

That's true. But go a step further. Those same elements are also found in soil, dirt, or the "dust" if you will.

Everything is made of the same "stuff". It doesn't mean they are the same "finished" product though.



KT

[IROC]

You can't argue in one post that they really *do* chew their cud and then when it is shown that they really don't, dismiss it by saying they "meant something different back then".

The bigger question is, "why is eating rabbit forbidden by god"? Rabbit stew is a no-no?

Mike

[m21sniper]

I found trekkor's explanation to be perfectly reasonable.

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by IROC


The bigger question is, "why is eating rabbit forbidden by god"? Rabbit stew is a no-no?

At one time for a chosen group of people. Why? I don't know. This does not apply - not even a little bit - to Christians.

[trekkor]

correct.


KT

[Nathans_Dad]

'Scuse me while I take exception to each of your points:

Originally posted by john70t
I believe threats of eternal damnation and prayers for divine assistence and intervention is, and has been throughout time, the fundamental core of many theologys- Christianity foremost.

Eternal damnation is a function of the Bible. It isn't a threat, it is the just wages of the sin of man. God provided a bridge to escape that damnation even after man turned his back on God and sinned. Prayers for intervention are just that, prayers. They do not harness anything, any more than a child asking a parent to borrow the car forces the parent to comply. Hence your statement is still fundamentally incorrect.

Originally posted by john70t
The principle core of Christianity is that man sinned through the apple of knowledge, was thrown out of paradise, and man must spend a lifetime regaining that paradise.
If Eden was Gods creation and gift to mankind, then by that definition destroying nature is destroying God.

Not sure which Christianity you are referring to, but it ain't mine. Man does not spend anything "regaining" paradise. Heaven is attainable only through the intervention of Jesus Christ. The idea of earning your way into heaven is fallacious, says so right in the Bible. Second, "destroying" nature is not destroying God. The Bible says that God gave man dominion over the earth and everything in it. That is not to say that we should not be good stewards of our planet, but your suggestion that each time an animal or plant dies we somehow kill God is simply incorrect.

Originally posted by john70t
Sorry, the reference was cheeky, but was made to dispute the false premise that "humans" are any different from "animals".
-We share the bones/blood/hair/muscles and all other physical elements that comprise mammals: Ever hear of a pig heart transplant because of genetic compatability?

Um, no. I am a physician and we do not transplant pig hearts into humans. Now, we DO use valves from porcine hearts to replace human valves, however since valves are avascular there is minimal opporutnity for rejection of that tissue...no more than you would reject a piece of plastic or titanium that was implanted to replace your knee. There were a few attempts at baboon heart transplantation, however they were short lived and ended in rejection of the organ.

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Originally posted by john70t
We share the common actions of other animals: Maternal instinct, hierarchial competition, tool usage, verbal and unspoken language, and even(gasp) higher concepts such as mourning of the dead.
-If one put an upright chimpanzee and an exceptionally hirsuite retarded midget side-by-side, there would be little to identify as "unique", except perhaps a larger prefrontal cortex and brainstem connection point.

Perhaps you are missing the point of the thread. This entire thread is about the idea that evolution might be God's method of creation. Therefore these simplistic arguments about retarded midgets and chimps aren't germane. What is it with you and bathroom humor? First giant testicles and now retarded hairy midgets?

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Originally posted by john70t
God is God, an ill-defined concept of an intellegent sentient being beyond reproach or comprehension, and any man who speaks for "it" is a liar.

And again, I'm not sure where you are saying that anyone thinks they can speak "for" God. The only example I can think of would be the Catholic Pope, and even he does not claim to speak FOR God.

It sounds like you have some preconceptions based on incorrect information about Christianity. Perhaps if you studied it a bit more you might find it more reasonable than you think.

[kang]

Originally posted by trekkor

Nothing in the Bible has been proven to be false.

KT

The whole Noah’s ark story has been entirely discredited. There is no evidence of the flood and the ark has never been found. It is ridiculous to think that you could possibly get two of every animal, plus enough food and water for them, on a ship. If the ark were built of wood according to the dimensions given in the bible, it would fall apart under it’s own weight. I could go on and on.

Perhaps the ark story is a metaphor for something else, but as it stands literally, it has been proven false.

[VaSteve]

I thought the found something perported to be the Ark in Russia some years back.

[kang]

Originally posted by VaSteve
I thought the found something perported to be the Ark in Russia some years back.

Every so often someone makes that claim, but they have always been proven false.

[trekkor]

I could go on and on.

Your comments are simple disagreements.

"Providing proof, need you will"- Yoda


KT

[IROC]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
At one time for a chosen group of people. Why? I don't know. This does not apply - not even a little bit - to Christians.

So the Ten Commandments don't apply either? They're in the same book and were directed at the same people.

Mike

[trekkor]

The principles of "the law" still apply. Not the letter of.


KT

[livi]

I wonder then. If Evolution threw natural selection is in fact God´s invention and His most excellent creation (man) has started a research called science in order to find out how this world is assembled. Digging deeper and deeper. What will we eventually find out?

Straying toward Hawkins here. It seems the most minuscule entities so far postulated are not particles but some kind of non definable strings. Will we, hence, finally find the essence of God as scientists?

Tired and silly here but, maybe this is all a game. The million year game plan by God, for his entertainment. His final creation is intelligent enough to start a scientific search for its origin (Him). We are getting close and we do not even know it. As soon as we reach the answer and realize the full effect of it - GAME OVER. A new devastating ice age, mega meteor or nuclear world war. Then He resets the game..

Hey, I have a plot for a best seller here!

[trekkor]

Eccl. 3:10-13

10_I have seen the occupation that God has given to the sons of mankind in which to be occupied. 11_Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish. 12_I have come to know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good during one’s life; 13_and also that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.



KT

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by IROC
So the Ten Commandments don't apply either? They're in the same book and were directed at the same people.

Mike

You might not agree or believe, but I figured you knew about these things.

No, the Ten Commandments are pretty much universal. Some think the Sabbath needs to be observed, others do not..

The Old Testament laws relating to diet and other things are between God and the Jews. Some Jews still adhere to these laws, while others do not.

[skipdup]

gaijindabe- Correct!

And, when Jesus came, the "rules" changed - as He stated.

This is Christianity 101.

- Skip

[trekkor]

AFAIK- nobody today actually observes the law.

Example: must keep and obey sabbath. Penalty- death.

So, who kills the sabbath breakers today?
And those animal sacrafices and burnt offerings?

Hundreds of other examples could be given.

People that claim to live under the Mosaic Law, actually don't and never have.


KT

[livi]

Originally posted by trekkor
Eccl. 3:10-13

10_I have seen the occupation that God has given to the sons of mankind in which to be occupied. 11_Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish. 12_I have come to know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good during one’s life; 13_and also that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.



KT

What do you know. And then maybe, just maybe, it turns out the Holly book is in fact a cryptic key to the game plan that used in conjunction with science will lead us to Him.

Ergo: Darwin and Christ are two models of the same game. Both is vital to reach the end.

[nota]

Originally posted by trekkor
Your comments are simple disagreements.

"Providing proof, need you will"- Yoda


KT

you said

Originally posted by trekkor

Nothing in the Bible has been proven to be false.

KT

your statement is proven false over and over
the FACT that your willnot accept the truth
doesnot make any difference
you cannot handwave away the truth
and you are not yoda

there was NO FLOOD or ark

[trekkor]

cryptic key

Actually, a simple study of the Bible leads to a fairly broad understanding of "things". Past, present and future...


KT