Lets get the ball rolling Moses
 

I have thoughts, memory, emotions and imagination. I have five senses and they give me input that is sometimes pleasurable and sometimes not. Your telling me that all that is, is a chemical, electromagnetic process controled by the brain. If thats all we are we might as well be machines, and anything we do in the end counts for nothing, has no meaning as meaning is subjective. Your nothing but a process that eat sleeps fks and *****s. That life is just a process.

Why would you care about your offspring if that were the case. Why would U care abut passing along the dna to your offspring, it won't change the termination of your chemical electromagnetic process will it now?

A question, why do we feel love, it has no use in a chemical electomagnetic process world. It may even cause the termination of the process.

I think the data has been overwhelming that the chemical elctromagnetic process known as human beings need something more than the empirical to survive and thrive.

That something more is elusive and can't be quantified, it is subjective in nature. Since matter in the universe tends to seek equilibrium equal importance or weight has to be given to the empirical as well as the subjective.

So that means that you have to treat the subjective as being as important or real as the empirical. OHHHH...

Feelings are chemical/hormonally initiated primitive motivators for the organism to behave/act in a way that tends to gain an upper hand in the gene pool race. Nothing more, nothing less I am afraid.

Same basic principals apply in all animal kingdom. In the case of Homo Sapience a more advanced brain has put us in a more advanced social system that to a certain extent blurs out the basic primitive instincts or puts a lid on them. I believe that is bad for us in many ways, but thats another topic.

There are no inherent meaning to our lives besides the drive to survive and reproduce. The rest is a product of the agonizing mind of a creature that evolution gave the ability to predict its own death.

Fire away at will.. ;)

agreed

it also explains how emotions can be altered through medicine , think MDMA, think MAOI's, alcohol and nicotine...
even foods with certain chemicals in em, like Milk , Chocolate, eating red beef vs pasta with veggies...

Monkeys have social structures as well , complex too , although not even close to our structures... in fact our brain grew due to our way of socializing, and how we had to deal with each other, not as a requirement to deal with the rest of the world and to survive...if we had to simply evolve to survive, the easy way would have been to stay closer to Monkeys/Gorilla's and Urang Utangs.. at least in the physical sense...although some may argue that some are indeed close to Gorilla's, physically , mentally and hairgrowthontheirbackally

but the chemical reactions are driven by experience. We are more than just a walking bag of enzymes...

Yes, we're the result of the zen of enzymes.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...ool_shades.gif

Markus, that is absolutely brilliant. Your last paragraph is the most succinct explanation of the human paradox I've had the pleasure to read.

Yes, Markus, IMO you have stumbled onto a sequence of letters typed onto your keyboard that resulted in a philosophically astounding statement. Congrats. Brilliant.

I also happen to agree with you.

Mike

That's not a philosophically astounding statement, that's standard existentialist philosophy that's been around forever.

Never read "The Stranger?"

There will always be that one individual that fails to see the subtle nuances in a profound statement.

I Markus is in error, some rationale describing his error would be appreciated and considered in a most respectful manner.

There's lots of philosophy on this subject. Most of this type of deconstruction has us as completely impotent in terms of intellectual freedom, reason and choice. We're all just biological or sociological machines acting in predictable and mechanical ways.

I almost prefer Tolstoy's take on the matter of self-determination in his epilogue to War & Peace. There he ups the ante and expands on a theme that is consistently raised in the novel about how man (both as an individual and as a society) is not only simply a machine, but further, has absolutely no ability to influence his own actions or fate. He deconstructs the topic methodically and convincingly.

But really, it's much better to ignore matters of such gravity and just keep on firkin and crapping with a smile on one's face.

Anyone ever get the feeling that he is a character in some vast imagination? Sometimes that thought goes through my head, with the realization that, although I do not know what is coming next, something somewhere just might.

Scary.

I think this guy works at my company.:(

Ahhh, how do we factor the 911 into this? :)

we need women to reproduce with , 911's attract the women...simple

A Porsche is nothing more than a symbol of power. It's purpose is to make us more attractive to potential mates.

Wealth and it's accoutrements have displaced the heavy clubs wielded by our ancestors. Prehistoric women were probably more likely to breed with the man who is a good hunter and has the ability to keep the wolves out of the cave at night, securing the safety of the offspring. In modern times, wealth has a similar effect of keeping life's unpleasantries at bay, hence women are attracted to "successful" men.

For men it's simpler. Every female attribute that men find sexually attractive related to fertility and healthy chromosomes. We are attracted to young, fertile women. Facial and body symmetry which are universally equated with attractiveness correlate strongly with a low rate of chromosomal errors. Young beautiful women make healthier children.

We are all prisoners of our own biology.

I like Flatbutt's example a bit more thank you! :)

So, what attracts MORE than a 911? Is this strictly related to the cost of the car?

Yup.

Taping a few hundreds to your forehead works really well. :p

So, I sell my 911 to a serious collector, buy a cheap 308 Ferrari, invest the difference, more girls would be attracted to the Ferrari? I don't buy it. But then, as a 31 years married guy, I guess I don't have to buy it.

A 308, no. Chickies will look for your gold chain and pinky ring. A 355 would get you some titular respect.

I am you and you are me and we are all together...

Coo coo ca-chew....

Any questions?

And then of course, the gold Rolex or a fake thereof...

Why do anything?
 

Think about this. If humans are nothing more than a chemical process that at some point is going to be terminated. Then what is the use to that Process of creating another process. It doesn't stop that Processes termination its going to happen anyway. There is no good use in creating another process, it competes for food.

There is something alittle different about life than just a chemical process. There is some spark there. Also for humans there is a spark of conscienceness, that we are going to die. That doesn't explain mans drive to creat ever more complex technology. Why wouldn't man be satisified with living in a mud hut. Babes..thats just Western Civ talkin...other cultures live very low to the land.

Well if life is ultimatily meaningless I have to be everybodys hero, cause I live a totally meaningless life. I do absolutely nothing, accomplish nothing, except while away my hours.


If life is ultimatily meaningless, humans nearly 100% of the time are deluding themselves. They live in a subjective delusion. People don't act out of rationality. What is rational about about owning a Porsche, its gona get Babes, its fun to drive? Coome on what a delusion that is...

Does that mean that our senses and feelings are mearily survival mechanisms..Well then knowing what those signals mean and interpeting them correctly has some importance to the survival of the organism.
:) :)

Like I said people are delusional because they spend their time thinking about what they are gona make for dinner, or new cloths , or the game tonight, going to work!

Come to think of it..I am the least delusional person on this Board. I live a totally meaningless life. I do nothing, accomplish nothing, all I do is while away my hours.

I don't strive for status, I don't strive for position, I don't strive for money..all are meaningless. U boyz are rtight , U have opened my eyes.

I am free of delusion, I AM A TRANSCENDENT BEING

Time to put away the hooka tabs. ;)

Are U talking to me U liitle ape monkey...go back to your delusion...Ohh and next time U wana talk to me...request an audience.

You have approximately 30,000 days on this Earth. That's all you've got. How you choose to use those days is completely up to you, but when they're gone, that's it. There is no "afterlife".

Like Markus said, our curse as humans is that we have evolved to the point where we can contemplate our own death and ponder the world around us. That ability has led to the creation of religions and other delusions (anyone remember the Heaven's Gate cult?) in an attempt to transcend the *fact* that we are going to die. There are no 72 virgins awaiting you, there is no heaven, there is no re-incarnation.

Make the best of your 30,000 days.

Mike

U know talking to U boyz takes time away from my doing nothing

Sounds like you are trying to horn in on Buddha's gig there tabby... be careful, I hear one of the moderators is a friend of his. ;)

And 30,000 days after your gone...who is going to remember you, and what will you have accomplished in your 30K days that anybody will even recognize as being even uniquely done by U.

Hmmm maybe I'll take up fishing, that sounds pleasant enough.

Speaking of delusion, how's the trust fund holding up?

Naw it would take up too much of my time..and it would require that I actually do something.

I really don't concern myself with that mundane stuff. Mother has been quiet happy lately so I assume that things are going well.

A Buddhist with a Porsche? Hmmm....

your take. Truth for you, not for others. I believe that your 30k days are for this lifetime, but that your soul has lived previous ones and will live ones yet to come. It is true though that reality is only in this moment. But karma is like gravity...it just is. You can choose to live your life a certain way, but you cannot escape karma.

My truth, Ymmv.

how is it any different from a Christian with a Porsche?

Welcome to Stepford.

You're right. My take. I don't think that the thing commonly known as a "soul" actually exists. There is no evidence for it, so I am forced to conclude that it doesn't exist. YMMV is in full effect.

Maybe a soul does exist? Maybe there really is such a thing as karma? Maybe prayer really works? There is no evidence for these things, but they might actually exist.

Mike

I am absolutely sure of only one thing....

I am unsure of everything.