I knew I should have asked for your ID when I had a chance.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...ool_shades.gif

if you profile everyone, then it's not profiling...

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He should be singled out because if you don't know him, he fits the profile and is more likely to be a terrorist. That's all.

I once took a charter bus from my college in London to Amsterdam for a weekend of fun. Most of my fellow passengers and friends were Middle Eastern. Before we got to customs, they all joked about how long it would take to get through, and were prepared for it. They informed me of the drill, knowing that with my blond hair and blue eyes I always went right through. We were detained for about two hours, with bomb-sniffing dogs and the works. No one showed the least bit of annoyance. We knew we would be delayed for a long time, and we took it in stride. It was not a big deal.

The main purpose to NOT profile people is that MOST Muslim followers are NOT terrorists. Just like MOST Christians are NOT Abortion doctor slayers. Just like MOST middle age white males are NOT child molestors.

Get over it. If your christian we are not going to start questioning you because some hard core nut job killed a doctor.

Think about it...there might even be Mid eastern people who are Christians! We can NOT become the enemy. We must remember to not hate or discriminate others who are not white.

Although all Muslims are not terrorists, almost all terrorists are Muslim. With limited resources to search and investigate...it seems prudent to concentrate on the most likely subjects.

That's not true, either. The US government has been terrorizing Somalia for years, they terrorized Iraq for over ten years, and have already started a terror campaign in Syria and Iran.

In the past, the US government supported terror campaigns throughout Central and South America. All of which met, fully, the classic definition of terrorism.

Problem is the Islamic phenomenon is based on emotions rather than rational thinking.

Burned children fear fire. With any means possible. No matter how irrational the logic. Fear and hate tend to group people together.

Depends on your definition of terrorism I guess. I would imagine you view bases in a foreign country as a form of terrorism. So we must consider the source.

Ditto and without the above source most everyone agrees.

There are plenty of domestic terrorists who are not muslim or middle eastern guys. Don't you think they'd love to call attention to themselves as well? Remember all the earth liberation/animal liberation front folks and all the nazi-type folks. They've been killing non-white americans burning their businesses down etc for hundreds of years....

How would americans feel about having German Air Force Bases laid out through our country? Or how about a North Korean nuclear site in Alaska?

Do I think we need to be all over the world. No, and their isn't a reason to be anymore either.

Re: What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?
 

Well, 97% of the population in Iraq are Muslim. That makes about 25,000,000 of them.

You insinuate that all "Moslems" are terrorists. You must be really upset that so much of your countries resources (not to mention lives) are being squandered to "give them freedom".

No wonder you spend so much time crapping on around here.

I think the assumption that muslims are more likely to deliberately terrorize the world is absolutely valid. Most of us can agree that suicide bombing is not something a non-Muslim is likely to do, whether that person is muslim-looking or not.

Islam is the religion of the undeveloped world. The people of the ME and SS Africa get their education and spiritual guidance from an exclusive religious source. And when contradictory information appears, the religious card comes out.

If you look at the state of Christian nations 500 years ago, the level of literacy, type of government, and the influence of religion were not that much different from modern day Islamic nations.

Does this mean that in 500 or 600 years Islamic nations will be up to current Christian nations' literacy rates and type of government?

Jack

Well that was a lame post, totally on a tangent. But I guess it does support the fact that profiling muslim looking people is intuitive.

But let's not forget that the big damage is going to come from the smartest terrorists--and OBL and his crew realizes that the stereotypical muslim male stands out and may be profiled.

So they'll start stashing crap in old ladies' handbags. Or whatever.

Re: Re: What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?
 

Victor,

Good you can chime in here, we needed a slanted foreign viewpoint on things!

Slightly incorrect Sir. I insinuate that they are either "with us or against us" as our President stated years ago, either one way or the other. They can stand up and help us or slink back into the shadows. The longer that they stay in the shadows, the closer they become with their terrorist brothers.

We are trying to give them the freedom to make a choice, hopefully the right choice, something that many of them have not had in most of their lives.

They are not able to post the drivel... ahemm, opinion that you keep trying to shove down our necks. You are always on the side of the downtrodden and many of us feel that its time that the downtrodden pick themselves up out of the mud and stand their ground. Someone fought and died in the past to give you the possiblity to say what you feel is correct and now we in the coalition forces are doing the same thing for the Iraqi's.

Not if males in power they have their way, but they can hold out only so long. They still want all the women barefoot, covered and pregnant and not to ever be educated. Only the males can go to school and never higher than needed for their position in life.

That said, I just returned from two months in the Middle East and things in Iraq, Saudi, Dubai and so on are improving by the week. Now ladies are allowed to drive in many of the countries over there and Dubai wearing of the abaya is optional, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Give things 3-5 years and if the entire place is not a glass parking lot, the women are driving a revolution over there. It will not be easy but they have seen and felt what its like to be equal and will not be held back forever.

Re: Re: What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?
 

Best estimates are that the number of radical "Islamists" (the governments word) is about 5000 people world wide. The US government spent $200 billion "fighting them" last year, enough to give each one of them $40 million in cash.

Cost effective?

It's sad to see someone who sincerely believes this claptrap. It's so much mythology as to call into question his ability to hold a professional license.

Howdy Joe - I haven't chimed in for ages and figured it was high time as I was beginning to feel like a stranger.

Krikey - me shove an opinion down your neck? Heavens forbid - merely (as you correctly put it) a foreign viewpoint on things.

I'll go back to chilling out in my terror-free foreign country of bliss and prosperity and leave you to your biased, angst ridden hell hole.

By the way - I thought you where a Christian? Was Jesus not the champion of the downtrodded? Maybe not any more - llast time I checked he had his hands full with my brother's multi million $$ investment portfolio.

The "angst ridden hell hole" is self generated, and remains in his head. Most of us are living good, relaxed lives.

So if they are "catching up" on their own why the fuch are we in there? There be no WMD's, no link to 911. To free the people and promote democracy? I personally hate and resist unsolicted "help"and "advice", gotta figure a lot of them don't like it either.

Why not do with Saddam what we did with Castro? He can't live forever and the citizens will come along in their own time on their own terms as are, by your observation, other areas of the ME. Hell if they are improving by the week we should all be singing kum ba ya around a campfire before the 08 elections.

"You can't teach an old dog new tricks"

The middle east is OLD. There is no way that a young pup like america is going to change the middle east. They will do what they feel like doing, which believe it or not...will probably include fighting each other. They will probably fight each other for long after our time on earth is up.

Folks like you said that about Castro 40 years ago....and yet another generation has had to live their entire lives under a brutal dictator...

Who cares...we don't live there. Sh!$ is messed up in a lot of places. Giving them democracy is not going to fix anything.

But later when their crazy leaders start building WMD or do other crazy crap....it clearly would have been better to democratize them when we could.

There is zero evidence that democracy produces good government while others forms of government do not.

You really have drunk vast quantities of the Bush'ist KoolAid.

Keep it that way and never let paranoid little wankers get you down.

Re: What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?
 

Don't be such an ignorant braindead redneck

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please quote your source for this finding ?

:rolleyes:

Covered or not, permitted to arrive at the mall under their own steam or not - they are still "MOSLEMS" buddy - and therefore terrorists - out to kill you. :D Read your own twit brained post again and again. You'll get it. Eventually.

"Especially when the safety is off"......what a dweeb.

Please tell us your vast experience in the Middle East and with the Islamic folks?

Its not difficult to believe, especially when you can see it every day on the streets of almost every city in the Middle East.

cool chick? anyone see a cool chick? phone call for cool chick...please pick up the white courtesy phone.

That is rather silly, don't you think? How could you even begin to try to make a point that most terrorists are not Muslim? I will humor you since you apparently believe you have some sort of point here. Obviously a terrorist is a person that performs acts of terrorism.
Start with common definitions for terrorism:

American Heritage Dictionary
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Wordnet© 2005 Princeton University
n. The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

How many Non-Muslim terrorists can you name? 2, 3? Probably not as many as were in on the 9/11 plot, much less those involved the bombings in Bali, Spain, England...the Cole, The Marine barracks in Lebanon, several US Embassies, the first World Trade Center Bombing, the Russian school murders...etc. Even without adding in the dozens of daily suicide bombings in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Palestine etc.

:D
crickets chirping

Reality and common sense have no place in this argument Fint! ;)

Boy aint that the truth! Now all we need is the crazy chic posting that these people are not terrorists, they are simply miss-understood and need more loving...

To take this one step further...

Edit: I am the last person that would advocate removal of religious freedoms, it is a basic American right.

If we know the clerics that are preaching terrorism why don't we deport them back to the ME? I'm pretty sure plotting to overthrow the government is a deport-able offense right?

If I were in a Christian church where the pastor was calling for illegal actions I would be on the phone to the authorities immediately.

Scott,

This is one of the scary things about this situation. We have numerous cases where the Imam (preacher) has pushed and pushed the faithful to kill the infidels, and guess what? Someone finally does it but what about the rest of the faithful? They did nothing, not one phone call and sat back and watched.

This has happened time and time again and the faithful did nothing. Wonderful religion isnt it?

What this thread shows, beyond doubt, that the national nightmare of the neo-conservative dominance of government cannot be over too soon.

Neocons need to be relagated to soap boxes on streetcorners along side others with politically wacky ideas.

READ the print Mr. Fint;

Is this not what the US is doing ? Is this not the action(s) that you, personally have advocated?

By definition it would appear that you (and your country) are the terrorist.