What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?
 

Just what part of this issue is so difficult to understand? Why are the police, FBI, TSA and so on concentrating on and searching 70 year old ladies and young kids in airports?

Look at the photo below and tell me the one thing that strikes out at you.

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This is from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6261899.stm) of the six suspects in the recent bombing plot in England.

Let me give you a hint. Their names are: Muktar Ibrahim, Manfo Asiedu, Hussein Osman, Yassin Omar, Ramzi Mohammed and Adel Yahya. Not one Smith or Jones among the lot of them. Wonder why?

Did they come from the YMCA? The local Bingo hall? Gamblers anon? No, they came from a local radical mosque.

"Three of the men - Mr Omar, Mr Yahya and Mr Ibrahim - attended Finsbury Park Mosque, north London, to listen to radical cleric Abu Hamza, Mr Sweeney added."

When are we going to take the gloves off and contentrate on the Moslem sect before they are able to stage another terrorist action?

I am sure that there are peaceful Moslems out there somewhere in the world (most of them in Chicago I bet) but the rest of them sure seem to be plotting against every Western country that defies them. Its time for us to stop pussyfooting around and go for their neck.

Joe, I agree about the searches... to an extent.

The day they stop searching 70yr old ladies will be the someone starts plotting to get C4 into the luggage of 70 yr old ladies.

That is a good gallon of gasoline to my bond fire of prejudice. Radical Muslims should have their own code in ICD 10. It´s a contagious deadly disease.

Is version 10 out yet?

Or do I just call them ICD9's out of ignorance/habit? (Or sometimes diagnosis codes, or dx cds in emails.)

Re: What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?
 

The majority of Moslems are peaceful and not radicalized. Even our intelligence people say that.

As for profiling, that is a different matter. Yes I agree, you need to go where the smoke is. But you also have to be careful about your net (great dialogue in 24 last night on the subject). Because the last thing we want to do is start pushing the ones on the fence towards becoming radicalized.

It just isn't as clear cut as it might seem...

What a bunch of blind, unappologetic, hopeless bigots. I would gladly offer any one of those fine young men my daughter (if I had one) in marriage. I would look forward to a lifetime (her's) of kind, loving, understanding, and above all, equal treatment from these enlightened keepers of their faith. I would welcome any one of them as my son-in-law, and eagerly seek his guidance in understanding the deeper meanings of their chosen religion of peace. I would embrace the opportunity to travel to his homeland, and meet my extended family. I am convinced they would open their arms to me as a white Christian American, and introduce me to all of their friends. It would be wonderfull.

Did I say anything about that? No, I said that the majority of them are peaceful. If they weren't, we'd all be dead. There clearly is a substantial minority that is radicalized. They need to be stopped. But in doing so, you have to be careful that the cure isn't worse than the disease...

Good point Todd. I guess to assess that risk, one would have to try to figure out how many are "on the fence". If the number is low, then it wouldn't be a big deal to let our actions put them over the edge. If the number were high, then a different strategy would be in order.

On a MINI forum about 2 years ago I predicted the world would get tired of this terrorist BS and would engage in an all out profiling of all ME men. Eventually as the attacks continued an typical ME man would not be permitted to travel freely throughout the world.

I was called a racist and bigot for typing such hatred.

My observation was that in the ME car bombs and attacks were tolerated. Sometimes the guilty party would claim responsibility for their actions in a thumbing of their nose to authority. Nothing was done or I should say no real effort was put into taking out these scumbags.

Now they are reaching out to all parts of the world and no one likes it too much. How much do they think they can push before the entire world turns on them and they loose their right to fly on a plane or enter a country? How much more will this world take from this group of people? If they cannot freely move about without detention and exportation it would seem they could not attack as easily.

I guess I am a bigot and racist for this point of view.

Believe that its called "being realistic" to most people.

Problem for me is that far too many so called "normal rank and file" moslems went to the same mosque that the terrorists did and did not say a word to the Police, and let the bombing go ahead. Even if the others did not know exactly what was going on, some of them had to have an idea, and they did nothing.

Its these people that need to change their ways, otherwise eventually it will be a full blown war against them. How to convince them is a good question but they better figure it out and fast.

or perhaps we should figure out a way to convince them...especially the ones on the fence. I'm not convinced that arresting every male Muslim is the solution (and in fact that might cause more harm than good). There are other ways...

Yes.
Let Cool Chick explain it to them.

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This man's name is Theodore Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber.

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This white guy is Timothy McVeigh, the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Yes, a great number of terrorists are Muslim. But we should remember that Muslims do not account for ALL terrorists.

This is not a new argument. What is so friggin difficult to understand about that?

that seems to radicalize most around here :p

That sounds like a quote directly from Osama bin Laden circa 1985.....

That's exactly what the radical Muslim world has been saying about the west (actually about America) for years.

This terror campaign didn't start from them hating us just because we're rich and famous like GWB, et al would have it. It's based in a long, long standing record of perceived western abuses of Muslims and their culture/religion.

You know what? More angst vs. angst just ain't gonna solve this problem....

My best man (in my wedding) is a 30-something Arab guy with a very foreign sounding last name. The guy's family escaped from Iraq in the 80's when Sadam took power and started executing his political opponents.

So basically my friend grew up here. He is American as apple pie. One of the finest human beings I'e ever known.

Why should he singled out and treated like a second-class citizen while the white folk skirt the security line at the airport?

Is that difficult for you to understand?

LOL. Man, you slay me. :D

Wait until there is a bombing in your city and several of the killers went to the same mosque that your friend went to, or possibly was even friends with your friend. Then ask him why he did not say anything to someone beforehand.

Never said that anyone should be treated as a second class citizen, but when 99.99999% of the terrorists are muslim males between 17 and 50, where would you suggest we start looking?

Is that so difficult for YOU to understand? This is a war going on and the sooner we realize it, the better.

Clearly countering many pictures of Muslim terrorists with 5 different pictures of one white guy is not very convincing. Obviously we should concentrate on groups where most terrorists originate, with muslims.

Your friend should also be advocating that we spend more time and money investigating muslims than others. His life is just as much in danger as the rest of us.

The people on this thread have the luxury of advocating politically suicidal security measures. We don't have to get re-elected.

Unfortunately the buck always stops with someone who has to answer to the electorate.

Imagine trying to get reelected after failing to implement measures to protect the citizenry results in a catastrophic attack. We have been warned. Now we have no excuse.

Just another reason for term limits. With term limits the people in office have more of a reason to do what is right, as opposed to what it would take to get re-elected.

Is not doing the right thing any better? As Stoney says above, doing nothing nothing in a time like this is much worse.

The majority of Nazi Germans were peaceful too fella.

Tower, I need confirmation on a thread kill, over?

"The Nazis had little pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear"

Godwin's Rule wins again...

Joe, i think you're trying to make a case for ethnic discrimination. that's against the law here in the US, and for very good reason.

And I suppose killing over 3000 people on 9/11 is legal?

Do we really need it to happen again, perhaps on a larger scale this time to wake us up?

no, of course not...but how about killing hundreds of thousands in Iraq and 3,000+ men/women in uniform over a crazy war? Is that legal?

your attempt is to use the fear card to discriminate....there are better ways to fight terrorism than to line up Arabs at the airport and hold them for questioning.

By lining up 12 year old kids and 70 year old grandmothers and searching them, whilst letting the Arabs walk past on to the plane? This is a better plan?

Fear? Hell yes, because a lot of us are afraid of what IS GOING TO HAPPEN if things do not change.

Right now the Brits are watching a minimum of 1600 groups of people in the UK for links to terrorist groups. Considering how small the UK is, how many do you think we have in America right now?

you've got my attention

so what do you propose? specifically....

I think we should throw them in the river to see if their made of wood.

Do what El Al, the Israeli airline does. Profile everyone. Anyone who stands out gets a lot of extra attention.

Top on the list are young moslem males and so on. They distrust everyone and work from there.

The way we are doing it now is simply a waste of time and resources, as well as dangerous.

Happened to my 12 y/o son.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/283925-pilots-tsa-12-year-old-kids.html?highlight=TSA



For the record I am mistaken for Pakinstani by Pakistani's I am very ethnic looking and to a wonder bread white boy I would look ME to them. I could easily be profiled as well.

If the terrorist actions in the ME were delt with decades ago in the ME where it was primarily going on. We would not be having this conversation.

well, before you do that, you need to get rid of all the lawyers..

besides , what makes you so sure they will target airlines again? another 9/11 would be difficult to pull off.. could be something entirely different we haven't thought of. how do you use racial/ethnic profiling then?

He's beginning to appear panicky.

Don't panic, Joe, we're here for you. http://images14.fotki.com/v370/photo.../smokin-vi.gif

maybe not if you profile everyone and can show stats on how many from each race etc