What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?

[Joeaksa]

Just what part of this issue is so difficult to understand? Why are the police, FBI, TSA and so on concentrating on and searching 70 year old ladies and young kids in airports?

Look at the photo below and tell me the one thing that strikes out at you.



This is from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6261899.stm) of the six suspects in the recent bombing plot in England.

Let me give you a hint. Their names are: Muktar Ibrahim, Manfo Asiedu, Hussein Osman, Yassin Omar, Ramzi Mohammed and Adel Yahya. Not one Smith or Jones among the lot of them. Wonder why?

Did they come from the YMCA? The local Bingo hall? Gamblers anon? No, they came from a local radical mosque.

"Three of the men - Mr Omar, Mr Yahya and Mr Ibrahim - attended Finsbury Park Mosque, north London, to listen to radical cleric Abu Hamza, Mr Sweeney added."

When are we going to take the gloves off and contentrate on the Moslem sect before they are able to stage another terrorist action?

I am sure that there are peaceful Moslems out there somewhere in the world (most of them in Chicago I bet) but the rest of them sure seem to be plotting against every Western country that defies them. Its time for us to stop pussyfooting around and go for their neck.

[notfarnow]

Joe, I agree about the searches... to an extent.

The day they stop searching 70yr old ladies will be the someone starts plotting to get C4 into the luggage of 70 yr old ladies.

[livi]

That is a good gallon of gasoline to my bond fire of prejudice. Radical Muslims should have their own code in ICD 10. Itīs a contagious deadly disease.

[legion]

Originally posted by livi
That is a good gallon of gasoline to my bond fire of prejudice. Radical Muslims should have their own code in ICD 10. Itīs a contagious deadly disease.

Is version 10 out yet?

Or do I just call them ICD9's out of ignorance/habit? (Or sometimes diagnosis codes, or dx cds in emails.)

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Joeaksa

I am sure that there are peaceful Moslems out there somewhere in the world (most of them in Chicago I bet) but the rest of them sure seem to be plotting against every Western country that defies them. Its time for us to stop pussyfooting around and go for their neck.

The majority of Moslems are peaceful and not radicalized. Even our intelligence people say that.

As for profiling, that is a different matter. Yes I agree, you need to go where the smoke is. But you also have to be careful about your net (great dialogue in 24 last night on the subject). Because the last thing we want to do is start pushing the ones on the fence towards becoming radicalized.

It just isn't as clear cut as it might seem...

[Jeff Higgins]

What a bunch of blind, unappologetic, hopeless bigots. I would gladly offer any one of those fine young men my daughter (if I had one) in marriage. I would look forward to a lifetime (her's) of kind, loving, understanding, and above all, equal treatment from these enlightened keepers of their faith. I would welcome any one of them as my son-in-law, and eagerly seek his guidance in understanding the deeper meanings of their chosen religion of peace. I would embrace the opportunity to travel to his homeland, and meet my extended family. I am convinced they would open their arms to me as a white Christian American, and introduce me to all of their friends. It would be wonderfull.

[nostatic]

Did I say anything about that? No, I said that the majority of them are peaceful. If they weren't, we'd all be dead. There clearly is a substantial minority that is radicalized. They need to be stopped. But in doing so, you have to be careful that the cure isn't worse than the disease...

[legion]

Good point Todd. I guess to assess that risk, one would have to try to figure out how many are "on the fence". If the number is low, then it wouldn't be a big deal to let our actions put them over the edge. If the number were high, then a different strategy would be in order.

[Jims5543]

On a MINI forum about 2 years ago I predicted the world would get tired of this terrorist BS and would engage in an all out profiling of all ME men. Eventually as the attacks continued an typical ME man would not be permitted to travel freely throughout the world.

I was called a racist and bigot for typing such hatred.

My observation was that in the ME car bombs and attacks were tolerated. Sometimes the guilty party would claim responsibility for their actions in a thumbing of their nose to authority. Nothing was done or I should say no real effort was put into taking out these scumbags.

Now they are reaching out to all parts of the world and no one likes it too much. How much do they think they can push before the entire world turns on them and they loose their right to fly on a plane or enter a country? How much more will this world take from this group of people? If they cannot freely move about without detention and exportation it would seem they could not attack as easily.

I guess I am a bigot and racist for this point of view.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
Now they are reaching out to all parts of the world and no one likes it too much. How much do they think they can push before the entire world turns on them and they loose their right to fly on a plane or enter a country? How much more will this world take from this group of people? If they cannot freely move about without detention and exportation it would seem they could not attack as easily.

I guess I am a bigot and racist for this point of view.

Believe that its called "being realistic" to most people.

Problem for me is that far too many so called "normal rank and file" moslems went to the same mosque that the terrorists did and did not say a word to the Police, and let the bombing go ahead. Even if the others did not know exactly what was going on, some of them had to have an idea, and they did nothing.

Its these people that need to change their ways, otherwise eventually it will be a full blown war against them. How to convince them is a good question but they better figure it out and fast.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Joeaksa


Its these people that need to change their ways, otherwise eventually it will be a full blown war against them. How to convince them is a good question but they better figure it out and fast.

or perhaps we should figure out a way to convince them...especially the ones on the fence. I'm not convinced that arresting every male Muslim is the solution (and in fact that might cause more harm than good). There are other ways...

[dhoward]

Yes.
Let Cool Chick explain it to them.

[wludavid]

This man's name is Theodore Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber.



This white guy is Timothy McVeigh, the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Yes, a great number of terrorists are Muslim. But we should remember that Muslims do not account for ALL terrorists.

This is not a new argument. What is so friggin difficult to understand about that?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by dhoward
Yes.
Let Cool Chick explain it to them.

that seems to radicalize most around here

[Purrybonker]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Its these people that need to change their ways, otherwise eventually it will be a full blown war against them. How to convince them is a good question but they better figure it out and fast.

That sounds like a quote directly from Osama bin Laden circa 1985.....

That's exactly what the radical Muslim world has been saying about the west (actually about America) for years.

This terror campaign didn't start from them hating us just because we're rich and famous like GWB, et al would have it. It's based in a long, long standing record of perceived western abuses of Muslims and their culture/religion.

You know what? More angst vs. angst just ain't gonna solve this problem....

[coloradoporsche]

My best man (in my wedding) is a 30-something Arab guy with a very foreign sounding last name. The guy's family escaped from Iraq in the 80's when Sadam took power and started executing his political opponents.

So basically my friend grew up here. He is American as apple pie. One of the finest human beings I'e ever known.

Why should he singled out and treated like a second-class citizen while the white folk skirt the security line at the airport?

Is that difficult for you to understand?

[HardDrive]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
What a bunch of blind, unappologetic, hopeless bigots. I would gladly offer any one of those fine young men my daughter (if I had one) in marriage. I would look forward to a lifetime (her's) of kind, loving, understanding, and above all, equal treatment from these enlightened keepers of their faith. I would welcome any one of them as my son-in-law, and eagerly seek his guidance in understanding the deeper meanings of their chosen religion of peace. I would embrace the opportunity to travel to his homeland, and meet my extended family. I am convinced they would open their arms to me as a white Christian American, and introduce me to all of their friends. It would be wonderfull.

LOL. Man, you slay me.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by coloradoporsche
My best man (in my wedding) is a 30-something Arab guy with a very foreign sounding last name. The guy's family escaped from Iraq in the 80's when Sadam took power and started executing his political opponents.

So basically my friend grew up here. He is American as apple pie. One of the finest human beings I'e ever known.

Why should he singled out and treated like a second-class citizen while the white folk skirt the security line at the airport?

Is that difficult for you to understand?

Wait until there is a bombing in your city and several of the killers went to the same mosque that your friend went to, or possibly was even friends with your friend. Then ask him why he did not say anything to someone beforehand.

Never said that anyone should be treated as a second class citizen, but when 99.99999% of the terrorists are muslim males between 17 and 50, where would you suggest we start looking?

Is that so difficult for YOU to understand? This is a war going on and the sooner we realize it, the better.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by wludavid
...This white guy is Timothy McVeigh, the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Yes, a great number of terrorists are Muslim. But we should remember that Muslims do not account for ALL terrorists.

This is not a new argument. What is so friggin difficult to understand about that?

Clearly countering many pictures of Muslim terrorists with 5 different pictures of one white guy is not very convincing. Obviously we should concentrate on groups where most terrorists originate, with muslims.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by coloradoporsche
My best man (in my wedding) is a 30-something Arab guy with a very foreign sounding last name. The guy's family escaped from Iraq in the 80's when Sadam took power and started executing his political opponents.

So basically my friend grew up here. He is American as apple pie. One of the finest human beings I'e ever known.

Why should he singled out and treated like a second-class citizen while the white folk skirt the security line at the airport?

Is that difficult for you to understand?

Your friend should also be advocating that we spend more time and money investigating muslims than others. His life is just as much in danger as the rest of us.