"Hogwash"

[Seahawk]

Originally posted by Superman
I'm so embarrassed.

Being facile is not Supermans strong suit.

You know your regs, learn the federal regs before you opine.

[alf]

"It won't stop us," he said. "And it would be, I think, detrimental from the standpoint of the troops."

Is he referring to the troops that are getting sent into harm's way?

If U.S. forces were to pull out of Iraq, "we would simply validate the terrorists' strategy that says the Americans will not stay to complete the task ... that we don't have the stomach for the fight. That's the biggest threat." He added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth it, or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead wrong."

I thought the task in Iraq was to get rid of the WMDs.

[dd74]

Not only was Cheney easily handled in an embarrassing exchange with Wolf Blitzer, more importantly, less than 35% of the country trust him or Bush. That makes him a failure at what is conceivably the most important job of his lifetime.

Failing twice out of Yale is just pathetic on many levels, and further fortifies his arrogance, IMO.

Of course you are incorrect about the career politician part, as Cheney traces back to I believe the Reagan administration, if not, Ford.

But, for all that experience, he still hasn't learned that a person can't simply ram-rod their philosophies through government such as what he wants to do with increased troop levels in Iraq.

Face it. At present, Cheney is desperate. He and his boss have lost America's confidence, and they have lost Iraq.

Being a failure at life and life's experiences only punctuates how ill-informed and irresponsible his vice presidency has been.

[dd74]

Originally posted by alf

I thought the task in Iraq was to get rid of the WMDs.

No, not any longer. The current task is to save face.

[lendaddy]

Cheney, who in October had called Hillary Clinton a "formidable candidate" who "could win" the race to replace US President George W. Bush, told CNN television "I don't" think she would make a good leader.

Asked why, Cheney replied: "Because she's a Democrat. I don't agree with her philosophically and from a policy standpoint."


Simple, honest and to the point. No touchy feely BS about being the first President with tits and how great that would be...blah blah blah . Just the truth.. Like it/Lump it, he doesn't care.

[dd74]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Cheney, who in October had called Hillary Clinton a "formidable candidate" who "could win" the race to replace US President George W. Bush, told CNN television "I don't" think she would make a good leader.

Asked why, Cheney replied: "Because she's a Democrat. I don't agree with her philosophically and from a policy standpoint."


Simple, honest and to the point. No touchy feely BS about being the first President with tits and how great that would be...blah blah blah . Just the truth.. Like it/Lump it, he doesn't care.

"Because she's a Democrat," sounds much like those who say, "Anyone but Bush."

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by dd74
"Because she's a Democrat," sounds much like those who say, "Anyone but Bush."

If you're not true to your philosophy you're just voting for prom queen.

[Rick Lee]

Yes, Cheney has a long gov't. resume, I believe going back to Nixon. But #1 he's not a lawyer and #2 he had a real job for a while too. I like that.

I agree with him on just about every issue and I particularly like the fact that he doesn't care about being liked or popular. It's a very refreshing change from how Clinton did things. I think he's far more resolute than Bush in his views, which is why I'd rather he were president. By the same token, I also like Joe Lieberman a lot because he doesn't care much about being popular or bending with the wind.

I don't care about 35% of the public liking Cheney. 35% of the public can't name two SCOTUS justices or their own Congressman. I'd bet an even larger percentage of Americans thinks the Holocaust happened in the 1970's. When USA Today and TV Guide are the best selling newspaper and magazine in the US, respectively, I don't put a lot of stock in the general wisdom of push polls.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Defenders of Cheney are whack. Not being able to see his faults after six years of him takes blindness.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by dd74
Not only was Cheney easily handled in an embarrassing exchange with Wolf Blitzer, more importantly, less than 35% of the country trust him or Bush. That makes him a failure at what is conceivably the most important job of his lifetime.

Failing twice out of Yale is just pathetic on many levels, and further fortifies his arrogance, IMO.

Of course you are incorrect about the career politician part, as Cheney traces back to I believe the Reagan administration, if not, Ford.

But, for all that experience, he still hasn't learned that a person can't simply ram-rod their philosophies through government such as what he wants to do with increased troop levels in Iraq.

Face it. At present, Cheney is desperate. He and his boss have lost America's confidence, and they have lost Iraq.

Being a failure at life and life's experiences only punctuates how ill-informed and irresponsible his vice presidency has been.

If someone said that to his face even if the cameras were on him he would probably tell that person to go fuch himself and I would applaud him for doing so.

[dd74]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
If someone said that to his face even if the cameras were on him he would probably tell that person to go fuch himself and I would applaud him for doing so.

LOL! I agree. Even if he said it to my face, I'd applaud.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Dan in Pasadena
Defenders of Cheney are whack. Not being able to see his faults after six years of him takes blindness.

Whatever

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by dd74
LOL! I agree. Even if he said it to my face, I'd applaud.

[Rick Lee]

Originally posted by Dan in Pasadena
Defenders of Cheney are whack. Not being able to see his faults after six years of him takes blindness.

I never said he doesn't have faults. In fact, no one has ever said that about him. But his are fewer and less consequential to me than most others.

[JSDSKI]

The man's style can't disguise his career and essential character as a politician and bureaucrat. He's out for himself - IMHO. from Wikipedia

Cheney, regarding first Gulf War - appearing on ABC's This Week, was asked why Operation Desert Storm had not gone "all the way" to remove Saddam Hussein from power. "I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire," Cheney replied. "Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power? What kind of government? Would it be a Sunni government, a Shia government, a Kurdish government? Would it be secular, along the lines of the Baath party, would it be fundamentalist Islamic? I do not think the United States wants to have U.S. military forces accept casualties and accept responsibility of trying to govern Iraq. I think it makes no sense at all."

Always worked in government - his Halliburton postion came after 15 or 20 years as a politician and as a result of his government contacts - he has enriched himself at taxpayer's expense, from Wikipedia:

With Democrats returning to the White House in January 1993, Cheney left the Department of Defense and joined the American Enterprise Institute. From 1995 until 2000, he served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, a Fortune 500 company and market leader in the energy sector. Under Cheney's tenure, the number of Halliburton subsidiaries in offshore tax havens increased from 9 to 44. As CEO of Halliburton, Cheney lobbied to lift U.S. sanctions against Iran and Libya, saying that unilateral moves to isolate countries damaged U.S. interests. He also sat on the Board of Directors of Procter & Gamble, Union Pacific, and Electronic Data Systems. During the election campaign Cheney tells ABC News. “I had a firm policy that we wouldn’t do anything in Iraq, even arrangements that were supposedly legal." However, during his time as CEO, Halliburton was selling millions of dollars to Iraq in supplies for its oil industry. The deals were done through old subsidiaries of Dresser Industries. It was done under the auspices of the corrupt UN Oil for Food Program.

I guess he had personal experience with the "corrupt Oil for Food Program".

[Porsche-O-Phile]

The one smart lesson du(m)bya learned from daddy was "always have a #2 guy that's even more loathsome than you". King George I did it with Quayl(e) (remember him?) and now King George II has done it with (the) Dick.

Cheapest life insurance imaginable. You can bet your bottom dollar if du(m)bya's VP was someone acceptable to people, someone would have knocked him off long ago.

[lendaddy]

So......you guys don't share out admiration for the man?

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by Superman
That is the only reasonable position for Mr. Cheney to take. At least, as long as he's continuing to award hundred million dollar no-bid contracts to Haliburton.

Yep...Billary was small spuds with whitewater & cattle futures. An illustration of their incompetence.

[MichiganMat]

I've seen the man speak and his persona borders on that of a dictator. Cold, focused, and unflinching. Some might find that inspiring, I find it a little inhuman.

Over the last 6 years I've wrestled with what I consider good leadership qualities and certainly Cheney exhibits more than a few of the ones I hold in high regard. In the world of business, he is the perfect man to lead, especially if you're in to the macabre business tactics of the oil industry.

However, I also believe that the government is in place to serve the will of the people regardless of what the leaders believe is right or wrong. I do not work for Mr Cheney, he works for me, period. Im comfortable with the White House taking action when it is needed, and setting agenda and policy, but not against the clear will of the people. Its highly disrespectful and incredibly undemocratic IMO.

[Moneyguy1]

len:

THere is a difference between criticism of the person and the person's political stand. Since I do not know the VP personally, I cannot judge him personally. However, the very fact that so much of what he has publicaly stated over the years has been contradictory, to me, his stand is irrelevant to the current situation.

Also....If someone could please delineate in an objective manner, the "philosophies" of the two major parties, it would be gratefully appreciated. Compare and contrast with the same two parties stands twenty years ago.