stevepaa, do you favor the death penalty if someone kills your parents?

would you do the noose?

Shawn, I've seen you chime in on gun threads in the past, so I know your position. My comments were not directed at you. How can you possibly be a ninnie when you drive the Gruppe B-tul mascot? No, try as you might, you will not be mistaken for the real deal. We have been joined by one of their poster children; you have been far out-classed. Sorry.

no and no.

so what is your point wrt to CCW

The reason I list that book is because what Jeff Snyder has to say is true, and it allows others to see his reasons for coming to the truth.

You don't want to hear the truth, that's understandable. That does not mean others do not.

you got a religion you are starting up, Pat?

again, I think you guys can have your CCW, just don't start in with the "it's the responsible thing to do and if you don't you are immoral" crap.

that is rationalization.

just accept that you feel the need to carry based upon your experience and others don't.

tabs, you brussels sprout!! i order the newspaper so i can have someone throw the target, thats called skeet, target coming TOWARDS you .heck with those throwing machines.

and if it is in my drive, its "fair game"

I'm not a big OT poster, but I found this thread interesting. I just changed jobs, from Siemens to First Data Corporation, and both will not hire you if they find a CCW in your background check. The reason given to me is that they don't want people in their workplace that could attract trouble. To further explain it from my handbook, the feel that if you fear for your life, and must be armed, that there must be a reason and they don't want that reason here.

I also interviewed at Conoco Phillips and they had the same policy, not sure how many others out there do as well. So if your changing jobs you may want to hold off until after your hired.

stevepaa, buy a gun!!

just as in healthcare(sic) i will get the best justice money can buy.

Back on topic ... I hope

John, check http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin/index.php good info.

It's okay Jeff. Pat said he would make the shirts so the pressure is off.:D

steve sure looks like a hell of alot of fun, hell of alot of time, hell of alot of money and headaches to get a CCW in kalif. IF YOU CAN GET ONE!

"IF"- BEING THE KEY WORD!

why dont you apply today feb. 1st 2007 and get back to us when you finely have it in your hand.

i know the gun laws of kalif. all to well. my boss lives there at times. actually has (2) places there. i know you have to register your ruger 10/22 pop gun and rem 1100 shotgun as evil black nasty "assault weapons".

boss who is a man of wealth and means GAVE UP trying to get one. and he has a spotless record!

please tell us of the brilliance of the city of san francisco banning all handguns!

read the fine print. and read about reality getting a CCW in kalif. same crap about city county state "approving your lic." that went on with non-gun states over full-auto weapons. they dont "have to approve it". and they dont!

there is no difference in getting federal $200 tax stamp for full autos. non-gun states will hold your permit up til hell freezes over. pro -gun states will background check and then whip it through to feds.

kalif. has MORE ANTI-GUN LAWS THAN ANY STATE OR COUNTRY! and yet my neighbor is murdered in downey while working/living there. alot of good those laws did for her. the only people in kalif. with guns are the bad guys. and they dont give a fuch about the laws in the first place.

today is 2/1/07 go get in line and see HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET A CCW IN KALIF.

i once had a garage sale . i did mention to the people that i would tarde for quality guns. believe me, or believe me not, a lot of people are carrying a lot of guns in their vehicle, and not one had a sticker on the windshield.

well why do you think they call it the bible belt?

attract problems???????????????? your kinda trained to walk away or run away from the threat if at all possible.using deadly force as last resort.

personally.........if i had choice btwn CCW employee and non CCW employee.....................ID HIRE THE CCW GUY/GAL in a heartbeat!

why? i get a FREE city/county/state/FEDERAL background check for free! what a deal. look up what a background check costs nowadays.

those companies are treading on very thin legal ice with those hiring practices. if i was a regional mgr. traveling via car thru multiple states, i wouldnt go to work for them if i couldnt carry concealed.

so u need to submit your resume to colt, remington, Mo Dept of Conservation, and the FBI:)

an example from the website

The Alameda County Sheriff's Office is the issuing authority for all CCW permits in this East Bay county, which includes the cities of Oakland, Berkeley, Alameda, San Leandro, Fremont, and Hayward. Local PD's defer to the Sheriff for permit issuance. The requirements for a CCW are: 1) Residence in the county and being at least 21 years old; 2) "Good Character" as proved by a clean DOJ background check; and, 3) "Justification," as expressed in the application letter. The first 2 requirements are easily proven. The third is a bit vague and discretionary, but it seems that the Alameda Sheriff is more liberal than, say the SFPD in regards to what constitutes "justification." I would suggest you make the best case you can in this part of the application. Being a shop owner in Oakland, for example, seems adequate justification for the Alameda Sheriff. The SFPD doesn't seem to think so.

If you satisfy the 3 essential "prerequisites" for the CCW, you will be asked to submit the $175 fee for a 2-year resident CCW permit. You must then show evidence of having passed a firearms safety course. The NRA course is currently acceptable, but there are plans to require an 8-16 POST-type course. Then you must undergo a 4-hour psychological evaluation. You will be given the same psychological tests and psychological interview that are used to evaluate Sheriff's Deputy Recruits. (cost=$150). If you pass this, you will be scheduled for range qualification (current cost=$50), which you must pass with a range score of 75% or better, using the gun you will carry loaded with the ammo you will carry. Finally, you are required to carry $1 million in personal liability insurance. This can be obtained as a rider on your homeowner's policy at fairly reasonable cost (mine was about $50 more per year).

Alameda is pretty slow in issuing permits. Mine took about 7 months from start to finish. They will authorize one weapon on the permit. If you want to change weapons, you must range-qualify with the new gun. The CCW is valid throughout the state. There are commonsense restrictions, such as you can't carry while drinking alcohol or in an airport. The county has issued about 250 permits for about 2 million residents. The number of permits is relatively small probably because of the cost (about $400 for all the fees) and the hoops applicants have to jump through.

I believe in the case of Siemens, which I just left they also had some liability/insurance issues as well, it was never fully explained to me. In fact I only found out about the policy after I tried to get one of friends that had a CCW hired in.

I travel frequently and I find your comment on travel interesting, I never thought about I guess, but I see your point on that.

I think there are some valid points made here, but I fail to see many people looking at the negative aspects. I wonder how good an idea it will be when in matter of persoanl safety the round slips past the assailant and removes the right side of a 4 year olds head, her mother holding her dying daughter in her arms, tears diluting the spattered blood that lays across her weeping face. Probable? no, but possible and I like to think that the possible is always worth considering.

Scott, I can't believe that not hiring someone because they have or had a CCW permit is legal. Knowing how Human resource laws generally favor the employee or potential employee that has got to be borderline discrimination.

Now back on topic to the question asked by John. I carry a small Kimber Ultra CDP II in a Milt Sparks side holster.

http://www.miltsparks.com/

I have tried a lot of different holsters and also lots of different positions. I have found this to be the best for comfort (both for safety and just daily ease of use) and quality. My .45 is significantly heavier than what you plan on carrying, but remember that in order to be effective, you need to be able to get to it. SOB holsters are pretty useless when you are in car for example.

This is a good thread, aside from some of the typical bashing on both sides. At the end of the day, I don't see myself paranoid, just exercising my rights. I have also carried in the past for work, so training is not an issue. I have zero desire to ever use my weapon in defense, but I also don't want to be saying "Gee I wish I had my.......".

Bill

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1170370027.jpg

It's perfectly legal where I live, Colorado is a right to work state. However this was siemens world wide policy, I don't think they have to by law hire you if you have one and you contest it somehow, since they would not hire my buddy regardless.

Psst, I am in Fort Collins and work in Broomfield.